Blues Brother 1,114 Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 i think the way forward for us is I'm afraid to say is to drop weir. the reason we play so deep is to protect Weir and his lack of pace. our full backs don't get forward because if the do weir could be exposed.we are fearful of the ball over the top, so we then defend to deep. usually on edge of the box.We are also losing one of our attacking options in whittaker (don't laugh} but i think he is at his best when allowed to push on down the right, but is not allowed to do this often enough because of weir. i believe this is our main problem not the middle of the park. thoughts???? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davie2909 21 Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 i think the way forward for us is I'm afraid to say is to drop weir. the reason we play so deep is to protect Weir and his lack of pace. our full backs don't get forward because if the do weir could be exposed.we are fearful of the ball over the top, so we then defend to deep. usually on edge of the box.We are also losing one of our attacking options in whittaker (don't laugh} but i think he is at his best when allowed to push on down the right, but is not allowed to do this often enough because of weir. i believe this is our main problem not the middle of the park. thoughts????We are playing far too deep with Weir in the team. Edu was rank today but he was also trying to cover the defense which McCulloch normally has to do.Time for Davie Weir to be a bit part player from now on IMO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWalterSmithLegend 206 Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Weir is not our biggest or only problem, we have more problems in the management office than in the players roster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Weir never has been a ball playing centre half, I feel some symapthy the way the ball constantly ends up back with him.But there's no doubt this has been a season too far for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryHurlock 21 Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Agreed, been a fantastic servant and a good captain but this year is a season too far IMO. Can't see Walter dropping him any time soon either and that's going to cost us this season bigtime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza010 391 Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 a 40 year old centre half is a fuckin disgrace for a team like rangers,get him to fuck NOW! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
minnbear 30 Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 You can dream all you want, but you know as long as Walter's in charge it's never gonna happen. I even doubt, if Ally takes over, that he would have the balls to drop him either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues Brother 1,114 Posted February 6, 2011 Author Share Posted February 6, 2011 Weir is not our biggest or only problem, we have more problems in the management office than in the players roster.surely this is a major problem because it has meant the whole flow of the team is wrong as so many players are covering for him. i.e whittaker & papac. also the def mid. Of course the management team could/should act on this but there is noway walter smith put that team out to play as defensively as they did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyehigh 2 Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Weir will be gone when Smith goes , and McCoist should never get the job either Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWalterSmithLegend 206 Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 surely this is a major problem because it has meant the whole flow of the team is wrong as so many players are covering for him. i.e whittaker & papac. also the def mid. Of course the management team could/should act on this but there is noway walter smith put that team out to play as defensively as they did.Its a problem, yes, but its not our biggest problem i dont think, our coaches look clueless during games, they dont seem able to change anything.I think he did, its how he likes his teams to play, defensive and negative. Kill the game, nulify the opposition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
achaleven 38 Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 i think the way forward for us is I'm afraid to say is to drop weir. the reason we play so deep is to protect Weir and his lack of pace. our full backs don't get forward because if the do weir could be exposed.we are fearful of the ball over the top, so we then defend to deep. usually on edge of the box.We are also losing one of our attacking options in whittaker (don't laugh} but i think he is at his best when allowed to push on down the right, but is not allowed to do this often enough because of weir. i believe this is our main problem not the middle of the park. thoughts????Agreed. I posted the same at the start of the season. Spot on about the full backs. They end up playing too narrow because they have to give the CDs cover, so we're getting done out wide on a regular basis.Whittaker is an attacking threat but he's not being used to his full potential. As other guys have said, DWs time is up but WS is not going to drop him anytime soon. Reminds me of the year we were going for 10 in a row...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart54 218 Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Its a problem, yes, but its not our biggest problem i dont think, our coaches look clueless during games, they dont seem able to change anything.I think he did, its how he likes his teams to play, defensive and negative. Kill the game, nulify the opposition.Walter doesnt know how to change the game, he only knows how to change players.I was all for Ally to get the job but now I'm having serious doubts. Its not just about today it goes back to the Co-Op Final last year when Walter 'kicked him out the way' and took charge in the technical area at Hampden when we went down to nine men. The exact same thing happened against Motherwell at Hampden last week - Walter come down, took charge and Ally stood back with head down like a frightened schoolboy. That sight did not fill me with enthusiasm for next season.Today at Ibrox, we had them by the throat - and we let them go. It was sickening to watch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWalterSmithLegend 206 Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Walter doesnt know how to change the game, he only knows how to change players.I was all for Ally to get the job but now I'm having serious doubts. Its not just about today it goes back to the Co-Op Final last year when Walter 'kicked him out the way' and took charge in the technical area at Hampden when we went down to nine men. The exact same thing happened against Motherwell at Hampden last week - Walter come down, took charge and Ally stood back with head down like a frightened schoolboy. That sight did not fill me with enthusiasm for next season.Today at Ibrox, we had them by the throat - and we let them go. It was sickening to watch.Ally is not a Rangers manager and i really hope he doesnt get the job in the summer. In the last 4 years, despite winning cups against mediocre opposition, his teams in the cup have consistantly been very poor. The 2 hard cup games we had, Celtic in the final and Dundee Utd away, we lost! It sure was Stuart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues Brother 1,114 Posted February 6, 2011 Author Share Posted February 6, 2011 Ally is not a Rangers manager and i really hope he doesnt get the job in the summer. In the last 4 years, despite winning cups against mediocre opposition, his teams in the cup have consistantly been very poor. The 2 hard cup games we had, Celtic in the final and Dundee Utd away, we lost! It sure was Stuart. the thing about mccoist is that throughout his career he has been the luckiest, most fortunate, jammyest bastard in the world of football. everything he has touched has turned to gold.maybe this is something that is just meant to be. and just what we need. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muff 245 Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Takeover, and remove Smith, McCoist, McDowall, Durrant and co...Until then, replace the whole management team in the summer! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWalterSmithLegend 206 Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 the thing about mccoist is that throughout his career he has been the luckiest, most fortunate, jammyest bastard in the world of football. everything he has touched has turned to gold.maybe this is something that is just meant to be. and just what we need.I wouldnt like our future relying on fate or luck though mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues Brother 1,114 Posted February 6, 2011 Author Share Posted February 6, 2011 I wouldnt like our future relying on fate or luck though amte.fair point there. but who would you have instead? i don't think there are to many out there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWalterSmithLegend 206 Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 fair point there. but who would you have instead? i don't think there are to many out thereRight now, someone who can stand upto the LBG would be ideal, someone who could match and exceed his passion and aggression, someone who wants to win matches, someone with the ambition that befits a club of our stature, someone who wants his team to attack no matter who they play, someone whos teams entertain. Thats the boxes i would like ticked. We get most of them sorted we will be untouchable in this league, when it comes ot Europe i would like us to have a go, just go out and see where 'Rangers attacking' takes us.Names? I dont know...........its all about opinions, with so many fans we are bound to have a huge split on preferences, i like these 3 Billy DaviesIan HollowayPaul LambertI think those 3 tick most of the boxes. Within our budget and with years ahead of them. I dont know, im just a fan, my and our opinion doesnt really matter sadly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterD 7,430 Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Whittaker causes more problems than Weir imo, so does Edu, both terrible Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bombaybadboy08 15,660 Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 i think the way forward for us is I'm afraid to say is to drop weir. the reason we play so deep is to protect Weir and his lack of pace. our full backs don't get forward because if the do weir could be exposed.we are fearful of the ball over the top, so we then defend to deep. usually on edge of the box.We are also losing one of our attacking options in whittaker (don't laugh} but i think he is at his best when allowed to push on down the right, but is not allowed to do this often enough because of weir. i believe this is our main problem not the middle of the park. thoughts????Good post and welcome to RM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues Brother 1,114 Posted February 6, 2011 Author Share Posted February 6, 2011 Whittaker causes more problems than Weir imo, so does Edu, both terriblei feel some sympathy with edu. there is no way he is a def mid. why we use him in this role is beyond me.i don't think this type of mid is needed. its only needed because we are to slow at cb. to ask edu (a decent box to box midfielder) to play the holding role is unfair.if we could take the shackles off whittaker and allow him to do what he's good at, which is attacking then the whole balance of the team would be better. the only way to do that is to drop weir and play a quicker cb. if you look at the modern game and indeed the past 20 years, attacking full backs are crucial. alves, glen johnson, cole, hell even the tims play with attacking full backs. that was the diference in todays game. other names from our own past the likes of numan, robertson, stevens and hutton.whittaker is a good attacking full back. that is what we signed him to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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