minstral 5,375 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Some of the best football we played was back in the 60S when we used to play 2-3-5 and attacked from all over the field. But along came the modern boring negative coaches and ruined the game for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 So playing 3 players in the middle of the park or 2 makes no difference? You don't have a clue. If we play 4-4-2 with two wingers/attacking wide players we will lose the game before its started.i mean in an offensive sense. i cover what you say when i say pressing and 442 dont mix. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 All the best teams in europe play 4-5-1 or its the 4-3-3 with the wingers comming in narrow. Barca play it, Madrid have played it for like the last 4 seasons and i love their formation, the 4-2-3-1. Both Munich and Inter played it last night. IMO If you have the players, and i feel we do, then its the best to go with. Although Weiss and Diouf are no Ronaldo and Ozil, they still have the talents to make the formation work.exactly right. formations are not negative or positive. players and tactics are though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoniram 1,919 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 I completely agree with a lot of what you are saying but the problem is how poor we are in the middle of the park. We are constantly losing battles in the middle of the park and that is where games are dictated. We do not have 2 good enough midfielders to win any midfield battle away from home in EuropeYup would agree there..and even with 3 we still get the run around.So the way i see it is this.We have a fixture pile up and in my eyes the League Title is our No 1 and only priority.We can either sit in with 4-5-1 and not have a go and still be under pressure or we can go 4-4-2 or more likely 4-4-1-1 and get players on the park who can do damage to the opposition.It may well end up 4-3 to them but if we go out fighting it's not the end of the world for me.For once i would like to see us simply attack a team in Europe like we did in the wnd half last week and stop showing these teams the respect they don't deserve.Hey you never know it may just confuse an opposition manager when we don't line up in the predictable fashion they are now expecting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Chelsea won the Premiership last Season playing 4-5-1.the list of sucesses playing it is endless. lyon for years as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu1993 101 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 exactly right. formations are not negative or positive. players and tactics are though.i dont know how anyone can say its negative to go 4-5-1. Against Valencia we did not look one bit negative, if we played like that every game e.g the pressing high up, the quick passing, the full backs getting foward, our central players always looking for the ball and our defence being helped out by the midfield, i dont think anyone would complain if we watched that every week. SPL Teams couldn't handle us in that form IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbocop1961 0 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Given some of his performanses this season i think it's time the defence was freshened up. Since the end of last season he looks like he's aged another 10 years! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoniram 1,919 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 i dont know how anyone can say its negative to go 4-5-1. Against Valencia we did not look one bit negative, if we played like that every game e.g the pressing high up, the quick passing, the full backs getting foward, our central players always looking for the ball and our defence being helped out by the midfield, i dont think anyone would complain if we watched that every week. SPL Teams couldn't handle us in that form IMO.Did we win? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu1993 101 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Did we win?that was the whole point is adding if we played against SPL Teams in that form then they couldnt handle us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaffbear 4,095 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Pulling the wool over our eyes eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muff 245 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 It's a crisis every game when David Weir plays. Weir being ill is no crisis; Cole, Papac, Bougherra, Whittaker, Bartley, Foster and Whittaker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoniram 1,919 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 that was the whole point is adding if we played against SPL Teams in that form then they couldnt handle us.With respect though Stu in the SPL we shouldn't need a 4-5-1 line up.And i do have to point out the obvious and state that we have went 4-5-1 against the Taigs in the last 3 games and haven't been able to beat them.Yes in certain games in Europe against better quality opposition there is no doubt 4-5-1 is required but more often than not it is deployed simply to try and stifle the opposition.Against teams like Lisbon though (especially at home) can you say they were any better than Hearts for example and deserved to be treated with such caution? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caddy 7 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 The BBC are reporting that he is expected to shake off the bug and play tonight. A fully "fit" Weir is a liability. If he isn't even 100%, we will be sitting incredibly deep tonight to cover him. Come on Walter. Give Bartley a chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz52 11,837 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 About time someone else got a chance in there, my mate is adamant that Darren Cole is going to replace Weir at CB next season, I thought Cole was a RB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilRFC 10 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Play Bartley, he can't do any worse than what Weir has been doing of late...I expect to see Weir starting tonight though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 In a word yes. Davie Weir has been fantastic for us but it more than obvious he is done and needs dropped, people are happy that he is not going to be featuring not that he is ill. I really can't be bothered with this fake outrage shite. I having a pop at you because all you do is have a go at fans amd yes I understand the irony... and as I said in my first post - Loyalty - is missing from a good number of our fans on here, they are demonstrating that by the glee they are showing in Weir gettting ill, they have demontrated that by the vilification of Walter on other threads, and in this one by calling him a liar and yet you choose to interpret my comments as fake outrage as opposed to challenging those that believe this is a made up story for dropping Weir. There is nothing fake about my posts - I worry for our club if this is the way some of our fans treat people who have not only shown loyalty to the team but delivered trophy after trophy and thus I speak out against those who, imho, drag us down by their own lack of loyalty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissg910 110 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 i think yous will find that all the teams being talked about play 4-2-3-1 not 4-5-1.playing a flat 5 across the middle makes it defensive u need the right mix ofattacking players and defensive players to make it work. for the recordi believe we have the players to play the 4-2-3-1 system if walter hasthe balls to set it up properly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker69 60 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 So Davie's playing then?Got a feeling Its going to be a very long night Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoniram 1,919 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 .. and as I said in my first post - Loyalty - is missing from a good number of our fans on here, they are demonstrating that by the glee they are showing in Weir gettting ill, they have demontrated that by the vilification of Walter on other threads, and in this one by calling him a liar and yet you choose to interpret my comments as fake outrage as opposed to challenging those that believe this is a made up story for dropping Weir. There is nothing fake about my posts - I worry for our club if this is the way some of our fans treat people who have not only shown loyalty to the team but delivered trophy after trophy and thus I speak out against those who, imho, drag us down by their own lack of loyalty.Your problem is that loyalty gets in the way of reality.Loyalty is an admirable trait and one i will not put down but it is leading to major problems on and off the park.Can you honestly say that the thought of dropping Davie Weir hasn't crossed your mind but won't admit it as that would be an impure thought Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovanFrontSince96 315 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Weir (bug) should play Says on SSN Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davie2909 21 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 FFS will Smith ever drop this guy?Alasdiar Lamont BBC Twitter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolt 44 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 so playing a 40 year old man with experience who cannot keep pace with the game anymore and will result in our midfield sitting on top of the defence for 90 mins instead of a 19 year old carbon copy of bougie who can charge forward with the ball and will allow the midfield to press onto the other team just what value do they place on davie weirs experience :/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoniram 1,919 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 I think that confirms it will be 4-5-1 and backs to the wall for 90 minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon 1,727 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 .. and as I said in my first post - Loyalty - is missing from a good number of our fans on here, they are demonstrating that by the glee they are showing in Weir gettting ill, they have demontrated that by the vilification of Walter on other threads, and in this one by calling him a liar and yet you choose to interpret my comments as fake outrage as opposed to challenging those that believe this is a made up story for dropping Weir. There is nothing fake about my posts - I worry for our club if this is the way some of our fans treat people who have not only shown loyalty to the team but delivered trophy after trophy and thus I speak out against those who, imho, drag us down by their own lack of loyalty.People are thinking that Walter is using the bug as an excuse to drop Weir, don't make it out like a witch hunt against Walter. Right, let's stay loyal to Davie Weir, not in a personal sense because that is without question. Let's stay loyal in a professional sense, let's watch him cost us goal after goal and result in us dropping points or being eliminated from competitions. He is not the sole reason but he is a major one. Regardless of how much Walter, Weir or whoever have won for our club they are not above criticism. Being ill or injured is not something anyone is wishing on Davie Weir, but being dropped from the starting 11 is what needs to happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgruntled_bear 157 Posted February 24, 2011 Author Share Posted February 24, 2011 This is the starting line up apparentlyRangers team to face Sporting (4-1-4-1) :mcgregor::bougherra::weir::papac::bartley::whittaker::davis::edu::fleck::diouf:http://sport.stv.tv/football/scottish-premier/rangers/230767-fleck-and-weir-to-start-for-rangers-against-sporting/So David Weir starts, we can now shut this thread down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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