rangersross 6,530 Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 IF one of the old firm didn't exist would the other be in the Premiership by now ?Its something ive thought about and after talking to a few guys on holiday I believe the answer is yes. The guys I talked to were all fans of English Championship/Premiership teams and the biggest complaint was the sectarian problem. The fan of Birmingham said that the fact we would steal their places in the premiership potentially wasn't such a problem, he believed that we would deserve our place their and as the top Championship team would still qualify he wasnt too fussed. However he did tell me that racism is a big problem in the english leagues and that they wouldnt accept sectarianism as it would just add to the problem. So even though its just metaphorical I started to think, if there was no Celtic would Rangers be in the EPL now and vice versa, OR are we only truely big clubs together, are the opposing side a hinderance or a neccesary evil. Basically without the rivalry, would either of the old firm be that big a club and without the other could one of the old firm go on to be a major power in the EPL ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff crap in the head 120 Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 Racism a big problem in the English leagues? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangersross 6,530 Posted April 20, 2007 Author Share Posted April 20, 2007 Racism a big problem in the English leagues?Apparently so Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfc_no1fan 13 Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 But the old firm do exist....... So how can we comment?Noone knows what football would be like without Rangers as they have been around for 134 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viennabear 2 Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 THE QUESTION IS WOULD EITHER OF THE OLD FIRM BE AS BIG AS WE ARE WITHOUT THE OTHER???? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerson 2 Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 I would think they would be bigger. There would be a bigger following for one major team in Glasgow. However had it been the case where 'Glasgow City' if you like were winning the league year in year out, there would not be the need to enhance the side much as there would be little or no competition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace 3,556 Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 I understand that the Old Firm" got that nickname because of their links in history when the 2 clubs sought to play on their "religious history"If it wasn't for this then neither of the clubs would be the size they are now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie 505 Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 No, IIRC they didn't play on this religious history - those differences didn't really start to take effect until much later than the beginning of the Old Firm 'pun'.That was foisted upon both clubs because they simply used to make the most of their local rivalry by continually playing each other with many games going to extra time and many friendlies being announced. As such, fans, media and officials at other clubs thought this rivalry wasn't the bad thing some people made it out to be.If Rangers didn't exist another club would have taken their place and vice versa with Celtic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace 3,556 Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 Frankie, i will defer to your better knowledge.BTW ... what does "IIRC" mean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie 505 Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 Frankie, i will defer to your better knowledge.BTW ... what does "IIRC" mean'If I Recall Correctly'The reason I used that expression was because I read the Old Firm pun origins in one of the RFC books I own. Unfortunately, that particular tome is at work and I can't find any more in another book I have here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace 3,556 Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 "The term 'Old Firm' comes from newspaper reports of that first games when the Glasgow press stated that both sets of players ...'got on so well that you would believe that they were Old Firm Friends'."Just found this on a few websites .... not sure how true it is though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUEDIGNITY 33,647 Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 No, IIRC they didn't play on this religious history - those differences didn't really start to take effect until much later than the beginning of the Old Firm 'pun'.That was foisted upon both clubs because they simply used to make the most of their local rivalry by continually playing each other with many games going to extra time and many friendlies being announced. As such, fans, media and officials at other clubs thought this rivalry wasn't the bad thing some people made it out to be.If Rangers didn't exist another club would have taken their place and vice versa with Celtic.The only reason the celtic exist is because Rangers are here, purely religious on their part, their equivalent of keeping up with the Proddies. They were foisted upon us ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza 21 Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 "The term 'Old Firm' comes from newspaper reports of that first games when the Glasgow press stated that both sets of players ...'got on so well that you would believe that they were Old Firm Friends'."Just found this on a few websites .... not sure how true it is though.I've heard that before too Ace.Again not sure how acurate it is.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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