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Chatting with a guy in the pub on Saturday and he pipped up with "the holding midfielder in a team is 9/10 a shite player" at first I thought wtf are you talking about? He then went on to explain "the holding midfielder is usually a guy not good enough to play as playmaker and too shite to put in a decent tackle. He normally isnt amazing in the air either". I still wasnt sold until he pointed out the players who are holding midfielders. He might have had a point.

Any thoughts on this?

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Chatting with a guy in the pub on Saturday and he pipped up with "the holding midfielder in a team is 9/10 a shite player" at first I thought wtf are you talking about? He then went on to explain "the holding midfielder is usually a guy not good enough to play as playmaker and too shite to put in a decent tackle. He normally isnt amazing in the air either". I still wasnt sold until he pointed out the players who are holding midfielders. He might have had a point.

Any thoughts on this?

Lee mcculloch .

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He's talking shit.

Makelele was a holding midfielder and a fantastic footballer, could name many others....

9 times out of ten. An obvious exageration but think about the amount of good ones and compare it to the shite ones in teams.

Makelele was a definite good one. Roy keane pre Celtic another. Many more?

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The best "holding midfielders" are fantastic footballers and are great at that role. You only need to look at the likes of Makelele or Cambiasso to see that they can be talented footballers. However, below the top level, the duty of holding midfielders is generally given to the less talented members who are willing to run about a lot and achieve no obvious end result.

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9 times out of ten. An obvious exageration but think about the amount of good ones and compare it to the shite ones in teams.

Makelele was a definite good one. Roy keane pre Celtic another. Many more?

Busquets, Cambiasso, Alonso, Albelda, De Rossi, Toure, Mascherano that's just at the moment who are far from poor players.

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Busquets, Cambiasso, Alonso, Albelda, De Rossi, Toure, Mascherano that's just at the moment who are far from poor players.

It's hilarious how many people think Busquets is just some chancer who fell into the Barcelona team through luck/nepotism and has no technical ability. Sometimes, when he gets bored of keeping it simple, he'll play a defence-splitting pass that makes you think "was that Xavi? oops, no, it's just Biscuits getting bored of two yard passes for a change".

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Fernando Redondo. Even Guardiola and Hierro were fantastic at it.

Makelele, Essien, Carrick, Gattuso, Pirlo all play it well

Guardiola and Pirlo are more deep-lying playmakers really. Although I suppose if you combine Pirlo and Gattuso (in their prime) you get one supreme holding midfielder.

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Busquets, Cambiasso, Alonso, Albelda, De Rossi, Toure, Mascherano that's just at the moment who are far from poor players.

I wouldn't class de Rossi or toure as dms , certainly not on the conventional mould . If they were fair examples I'd also throw in schweinsteiger , inler and parker .

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Guardiola and Pirlo are more deep-lying playmakers really. Although I suppose if you combine Pirlo and Gattuso (in their prime) you get one supreme holding midfielder.

Thinking more of his time with Brecsia and the role he played with them mate. Rather than his younger years at Barca. Although he was such a good footballer that he could play a holding roll whilst being creative

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It's hilarious how many people think Busquets is just some chancer who fell into the Barcelona team through luck/nepotism and has no technical ability. Sometimes, when he gets bored of keeping it simple, he'll play a defence-splitting pass that makes you think "was that Xavi? oops, no, it's just Biscuits getting bored of two yard passes for a change".

Sadly Sergio will always be one of those players who never get the deserved credit for various reasons, outstanding footballer.

Someone on here said Busquets never goes beyond the half-way line. :lol:

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Agree with all apart from athleticism.

I think the other attributes can go a long way to covering a lack of athleticism (within reason obviously).

You often see holding players able to play well into their 30's, because a good holding player doesn't need to run about wild, or dive into tackles, etc. You can be small and slow, but still a good holding mid.

Although you tend to get two distinct types of holding players. As example former Rangers player Thomson and Hemdani being the two flavours of the same position.

Badger is spot on. It's all about reading the game. You don't need to be quick because you can anticipate where the ball is going and can get there before the fastest guy on the pitch.

Players who are good at this ... the Makelele's, Busquets' and Bob Malcolms of this world ... are vastly underrated. :pipe:

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McCulloch isn't a holding midfieder, although we sometimes try to make him one..... with disastrous results.

He isn't being made into a holding midfielder, he's being made into a juggernaut, he's in there purely for his aerial ability... that, or Ally's went loopy.

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I am old school and think that midfielders should be box to box players on the move all the time.There is also the argument about the "second striker or plays just off the striker" being the guy who will not take responsibility of being a striker or a midfield player; was it Souness who called it the spiv position?

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