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Rangers Fans Working Group Meets with FoCUS and ACC Corrigan


DarcheVinny

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Representatives of the Rangers Fans Working Group met yesterday with Campbell Corrigan, the assistant Chief Constable, plus a couple of his colleagues as well as David Brand and Dougie Stevenson from the FoCUS unit.

The meeting, which lasted for 2 hours, involved some frank and open discussions regarding what FoCUS is trying to do, what the Police in general are trying to achieve with football fans, and potential areas to look out for to ensure our fans are not in danger of arrest and prosecution under the new law.

The main points of the meeting were as follows;

The police continue to refuse to produce a list of banned songs, but during training and meetings with forces around the country, they advise the home match commander and police on duty what songs to be aware of.

FoCUS go to games through a mixture of them choosing matches after viewing the fixture list, and by being invited by the match commander. This will normally be intelligence led.

There are 15 Full time FoCUS officers and can cover 6 matches at the same time. They hope to be at 6 matches on January 2.

For the first half of the season, there was a lot of filming using the hand held cameras to gather evidence of good and bad behaviour at football matches. As this part of the work has been completed, cameras are now only deployed to a particular incident during a match.

Footage obtained through FoCUS cameras are held for 30 days and then deleted unless there are reasons to retain it, for example where offences have been committed.

When asked if FoCUS would publicise a list of matches attended on their website, we were told they had not thought about it but would look into it for the end of the season. They were keen to declare that they are not solely interested in Rangers and Celtic games, and that the most problematic areas trhey have encountered have been, amongst others, the Ross County v Partick Thistle match, with a group of Dundee casuals, a group of young Ayr fans, and even at a junior match in Ayrshire.

The police are happy to keep in constant contact with fans groups to discuss and advise on offensive songs. They stated they were happy with our previously published list of songs and chants we have previously advised Rangers fans to steer clear of.

FoCUS have now ordered new bibs saying FoCUS rather than the current anti-sectarian police unit.

The police will discuss fixtures for 2012-13 with the SPL before they are finalised this summer. They will again push for 1 midweek OF fixture and they were disappointed that they only midweek fixture offered by SPL was the December one.

There were 12 arrests at the recent OF game, of which only 1 was for Sectarian Breach of the Peace. There were only 2 arrests at the recent St Mirren match, 1 for a smoke canister and 1 for being drunk. These are fairly typical figures for Rangers matches.

Police were happy with current trends of policing at football, with police numbers at football down 30% in the last 2 years, which they hope continues in the future.

CC stated that he advised the Celtic trust that up the ra would lead to arrests and prosecution in answer to a direct question about it, and that it was not an exclusive list.

The police are looking to develop links with fans groups to assist in the training of officers, and to observe such training when it occurs.

There was 120 litres of alcohol seized by police during bus checks at OF game. More info to follow on this.

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Thanks for posting that Darche (tu) Although it doesn't concern me as much as you guys,I'll still know what I can sing at 4.00am when the Rangers games are on the telly.

BTW! Happy New Year, mate! to you and all the Bears around the world :beer1::uk::21:

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But officer it's political wine not sectarian uk.gif

probably stolen communion wine. speaking of which I am evangelical. when I was a kid our church was broken into and all the non alcoholic communion wine stolen. all the smokes were found in the local park.

would love to have been at that party.

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Does nobody else find this completely ridiculous? The police and match commander are informed of what songs fans can't sing, but the fans aren't? Imo, that is absolutely scandalous.

A point a good defence lawyer would use to his clients advantage.

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Does nobody else find this completely ridiculous? The police and match commander are informed of what songs fans can't sing, but the fans aren't? Imo, that is absolutely scandalous.

It's like something out of Kafka, you can be accused of a crime, but you are specifically not given details of what the offence might be.

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Does nobody else find this completely ridiculous? The police and match commander are informed of what songs fans can't sing, but the fans aren't? Imo, that is absolutely scandalous.

This has been going on for over a year and it's just madness. I can't even imagine what the coversation would be like:

Fans Group: Please can you tell us, as representatives of Rangers fans, what songs we can and cannot sing?

Police Commander: No

Fans Group: <cr> Ermmm, that seems a bit odd. Why not?

Police Commander: Errmm, I don't no.

Fans Group: But really, it would be kind of helpful to know.

Police Commander: :blush:

Farcical.

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