Gash07 26 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Think back to when the prick took over he spouted about 5 mill a year for players, front loading it and 5 mill working capital and all the rest of his lies and he hasn't been paying staffs tax or paye from day one!!Exactly, and if he is to be believed, it its too risky to wait for the ebt case outcome. Which he would also have known from the beginning, rendering virtually everything that has came out of his mouth as deceit. Personally I don't believe anything he has said. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 They didn't pay the small tax bill and that money was ring-fenced making it unavailable for day to day expenses.they never paid anything they didn't have to. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 people need to wake up here. this has been the plan since long before whyte took us over. our administrators are known to Craig whyte. one of the firm was with him the day he bought us. same guy is best mates with d muir. they hatched a plan and ropes whyte in. from the minute we were bought by whyte this is where we were headed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,628 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 £24.4 ticketus deal£9m TAX£10m Working Capital£6m Jelavic----£49.4m----Where the fuck is it??This on top of the £35m we already makeMinus the £45m a year it costs to run the club. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 So paul murray helped preside over our near demise and did zilch. Whyte comes in and gets all the flak. Murray comes to the rescue like a knight in shining armour. All a bit contrived to me. BUT..... Sounds like a plan.what could he do? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 And they also said it was fine to waive £7billion Vodafone debt. I still think Whyte made the first move. Whether that move was good or bad is the only issue.whytes been ensuring it happened since day one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,506 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 did you see boss's post 150 million of debt potentially and your criticising them for not paying it off. get a grip.who said anything about them paying it off, im meaning that P Murray let it all build up over the years Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamFyfe 1,438 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Take it with a pinch of salt, if it happens then that's good but no point getting any hopes up! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 who said anything about them paying it off, im meaning that P Murray let it all build up over the yearsoh then your wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonok 1,245 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 people need to wake up here. this has been the plan since long before whyte took us over. our administrators are known to Craig whyte. one of the firm was with him the day he bought us. same guy is best mates with d muir. they hatched a plan and ropes whyte in. from the minute we were bought by whyte this is where we were headed.I agree with this,also I think David Murray knew the whole deal when he sold up Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack1690 793 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 what could he do? For a start, not wait until the last second to put a buyout plan on the table. He had months, if not yrs to do something. To me it looks like murray was saying "dont put any blame on me. I tried my best. Honest" Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 For a start, not wait until the last second to put a buyout plan on the table. He had months, if not yrs to do something. To me it looks like murray was saying "dont put any blame on me. I tried my best. Honest"he put up the plan to rescue us from this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oheisbaer 0 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Only read the first page so apologies if this has been mentioned subsequently. I think a lot of fans remain very naive both to how Craig Whyte has conducted his business and why Paul Murray did not act earlier. Whyte's strategy from the outset now appears clear: Plan A - Administration and CVA, doing over as many creditors as was required along the way (hmrc, other clubs, business partners etc) and sell for a tidy profit / Plan B: Liquidation and new-co, doing over as many creditors as was required along the way (hmrc, other clubs, business partners etc) and sell for a tidy profit. PM was not ethically inclined to devise a strategy that would make the debt and the EBT case go away in such a manner, neither did he have the stomach, nor testicular fortitude to liquidate the club if need be. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Only read the first page so apologies if this has been mentioned subsequently. I think a lot of fans remain very naive both to how Craig Whyte has conducted his business and why Paul Murray did not act earlier. Whyte's strategy from the outset now appears clear: Plan A - Administration and CVA, doing over as many creditors as was required along the way (hmrc, other clubs, business partners etc) and sell for a tidy profit / Plan B: Liquidation and new-co, doing over as many creditors as was required along the way (hmrc, other clubs, business partners etc) and sell for a tidy profit. PM was not ethically inclined to devise a strategy that would make the debt and the EBT case go away in such a manner, neither did he have the stomach, nor testicular fortitude to liquidate the club if need be.last bit is not something to criticise him for. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oheisbaer 0 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 last bit is not something to criticise him for.It wasn't supposed to come across as being critical. I just read some of your posts. Someone who can see the wood for the trees. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissg910 110 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Minus the £45m a year it costs to run the club.still leaves atleast 30mill unaccounted for. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ledge 3 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 £24.4 ticketus deal£9m TAX£10m Working Capital£6m Jelavic----£49.4m----Where the fuck is it??This on top of the £35m we already makeYou forgot the Adam sell on fee and the Bougherra fee too. Almost £100m there, yet he speaks of £10m deficits??????? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ledge 3 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Minus the £45m a year it costs to run the club.That £45m becomes £36m this year due to the ignoring of tax payments. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gersandy 594 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 If Paul Murray is serious about taking over on behalf of the fans, why is he not getting something concrete started? Lets get a fund started up, bring all the supporters clubs and different supporters assemblies together. Id be happy to stick any money id spend at away games from now into a fund. Any disposable cash i have, id also be willing to spend on such a fund. But what i wont do is pour my money into the current black hole thats been created. There seems to be alot of talk at the moment, but no actions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don81 2,837 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Just listened into an interview with Murray on RR and it seems he has an interview with our administrators next week and is actively trying to recruit Other businessmen with a few quid to spare to dig us out of this hole we find ourselves in. Can't understand the hatred still directed towards him and AJ when they are being proved right about Whyte with every twist and turn that this nightmare takes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willger 14 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Im pretty sure something is being arranged at the moment, just keep your pwder dry. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue4life 20 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Paul Murray's 'Blue Knights' takeover planTopic:Paul Murray launched a scathing attack on Rangers owner Craig Whyte as he prepared his own "Blue Knights" rescue package to save the club.The former Rangers director was booted off the club board last year, soon after Whyte gained control, but now feels his concerns about the new owner have been vindicated.And Murray wants to put a consortium together that can help rid the club of the man who has taken Rangers into administration."First of all, we have to give the supporters another option," Murray told the Daily Record. "Something that does not include Craig Whyte regaining control of the club from the administrators."A credible option is for a consortium of like-minded Rangers stakeholders to come together and try to rescue the club."The first stage of that process is to meet with the administrator to understand what the level of the club's debts now are."Maybe we can even meet with Craig Whyte to understand what he wants out of all this."And then, on that basis, we can structure a plan to take the club forward. I'm calling on all Rangers fans out there who are interested to now step forward and show their hand in the club's hour of need.The Blue Knights"I have never spoken publicly before but I would call this The Blue Knights."It would be similar to the model proposed by The Red Knights when they tried to take over Manchester United."Murray is determined that Whyte should never be allowed to control Rangers again.He added: "If he wants to come out of administration in control of the club then the fans have to ask themselves one question: Is this guy a fit and proper person to be a custodian of Glasgow Rangers?"Remember this is a guy who was disqualified as a director for seven years and who did not disclose this fact at the time of the takeover."This is a guy who denied selling season tickets but who then was forced to admit he had done so after he had been found out."Just the other week he was described as 'wholly unreliable' by a judge.Admission"And now it is public knowledge - after an admission from the administrators who he selected and brought in through the front doors of Ibrox - he has run up £9million in unpaid taxes since taking over in May."So I say to the Rangers supporters do they want this man to be afforded a place in the club's history up there beside Bill Struth, John Greig and Walter Smith? In my opinion the answer must be 'no'."Murray warned at the time of Whyte's takeover that the move could be disastrous for Rangers after his own plan to pass the tax liability back to the Murray Group and Lloyds Bank was, in his words, "blown out of the water".But Murray is adamant that he did not want to be proved right and is desperate for the Rangers fans to get the answers they deserve.He added: "We are now seeing the full impact of the deal they entered into with Craig Whyte. That's why we said at the time it was such a dangerous thing to do."I take no satisfaction from being proved correct because we're now seeing just how dangerous the deal was for the club."We need to know where the money has gone from the deal he did to sell the season tickets. We need to know how much we owe the tax man in PAYE. We need to know where the money has gone from the sale of Nikica Jelavic."This is a public company, a 140-year-old institution with over 26,000 shareholders who deserve to know what happened." Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and True 311 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 great now how to we come forward?who do we contact? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ledge 3 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 McCollHunterParkMontgomeryAll multi-millionnaire Bears and there must surely be more. Where are they when our club needs them? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.T.G 10,773 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 I think this is a going to happen Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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