JRodgA2k8 542 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 if it was his cash it wouldn't be over a shorter period it would be up front. sold down the Shanghai river. what next miller offering them all there cash.Could it not simply be a case of wanting to put as much of his cash as he can into the CVA pot to give that a better chance of success? By negotiating a better deal for Ticketus over a certain period allows him to do so, effectively taking them out of the CVA pot leaving HMRC to deal with(yes similar to what TBK intended).Who's to say he won't invest further money or even write off the Ticketus deal with further cash after taking over? Of course the main reason for this is it gives Ticketus a better deal but Ng time to get it paid off after taking over, there is nothing in there about further lending i.e a credit line like TBK were counting on.We know nothing of his plans but if he now has Ticketus in agreement then hopefully a CVA can be agreed and an exit from Admin, which is of course...hopefully...the aim Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemdog 39,389 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 gunslinger, You always come across as if you know more than the rest of us. How do u know that Bill ng has offered more money to ticketus?If you heard it from radio clyde or from the Daily record it doesn't count.It's been in every article that has reported TBK withdrawing their bid.Bill Ng offered £14Million over a short period of time, in comparison to TBK...Reportedly.D&P did say that Ticketus had been talking to another bidder of late. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermopylae 15,286 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Will everyone please calm down. There is mostly rumour and conjecture from far too many posters on here. There is also a lot of panic and misinformation. The trouble for all of us is a lack of creditable information which we are unlikely to get at this time. Unfortunately we must still retain a degree of patience a bit longer.TBK must have proven they had funding available or their bid would have been rejected at the outset by D & P. TBK have released a statement (it's on BBC web site) saying "During the course of the weekend individuals within the consortium offered to put up the deposit subject to a small number of conditions which were broadly agreed with Duff & Phelps". They then found out that Ticketus had reached a better agreement with Bill Ng. TBK have pulled out of the running as the Singaporean bid is better for D & P and hopefully Rangers. There is nothing to stop TBK coming back in. Preferred bidder status is not a guaranteed end to this situation, it is certainly not a done deal. TBK withdrawing should allow D & P to proceed quicker.Ticketus can hardly be blamed for negotiating with all bidders to try to recoup as much of their £24m+ as possible. The ridiculous criticism aimed at TBK in general and Paul Murray in particular is absolutely shocking and totally unwarranted in my opinion. I have yet to read one single shred of proof of underhand dealings by anyone involved with TBK. Paul Murray was a non-executive director at RFC and had no real input in running the Club. As far as I can remember he paid approx £1m for a seat on the board. As I have stated before on RM, that is a damned expensive season ticket. He never got a penny from RFC and in fact he didn't even have any shares. He only got on the board in autumn 2007. Paul Murray is not responsible for getting our Club into its current perilous situation which is the result of fiscal mismanagement by SDM albeit probably due to poor tax advice and then the scurrilous, dishonest dealings of Craig Whyte leading to administration. I have no allegiance to any bidder and like every other Rangers fan, my only wish is for our Club to come out of this situation as quickly as possible, hopefully with well-minded owners. Paul Murray should be applauded for trying to save The Rangers, not pilloried. If I had the finance to broker a deal together with TBK then I would. I will hopefully be able to buy into my Club again at some stage because my current shareholding is now worthless. Whether the new owner is Miller, Ng, TBK or Brian Kennedy, I will be there supporting my team, your team, our team. I hope you will ALL be beside me. God bless the Rangers.W.A.T.P.If the shares I got for my 21st are now worthless why aren't the ones that whyte got from murray equally worthless? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane 338 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 The Blue knights pulled out because Bill ng agreed a better deal with tickitus. Nothing to do with the blue knights not offering the money.Duff & Phelps responded: "We were surprised that their [blue Knights] offer to pay an exclusivity fee was withdrawn..."Really? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueThunder 8,452 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 So, first Craig Whyte refused to do a deal with Murray.Then Craig Whyte then refused to do a deal with Miller.Conclusion? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
showtime69 514 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 The Blue knights pulled out because Bill ng agreed a better deal with tickitus. Nothing to do with the blue knights not offering the money.my mistake, i thought TBKs wanted Ticketus to pay the deposit for them??then thats when they found out about the Ng/Ticketus deal?probably good for them they didnt fancy paying it themselves then or they wouldnt have found out Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverBlue_Since91 2,895 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 If the shares I got for my 21st are now worthless why aren't the ones that whyte got from murray equally worthless?How many have you got. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverBlue_Since91 2,895 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Surely all this pish is coming to an end. And we should have a new owner soon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerwelly 115 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Anyone heard from Frankie Re tonight's developments? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane 338 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Anyone heard from Frankie Re tonight's developments?No movement on twitter. Haven't checked Gersnet tonight but he'd usually let us know of updates via other channels, too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerwelly 115 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Quite quiet on here tonight given recent developments. I feel like i am sitting in an ampitheatre looking in a mirror and talking to myself. Typical, talk about being all dressed up with no where to go apart from bed. Well working tomorrow and no Internet access 9am - 5pm, will need to rely on radio Clyde news or maybe Keys & Gray will have something on it? Well here's hoping it's the beginning of the end of this and maybe we can start looking to the future. WATP Goodnight . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane 338 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Quite quiet on here tonight given recent developments. I feel like i am sitting in an ampitheatre looking in a mirror and talking to myself. Typical, talk about being all dressed up with no where to go apart from bed. Well working tomorrow and no Internet access 9am - 5pm, will need to rely on radio Clyde news or maybe Keys & Gray will have something on it? Well here's hoping it's the beginning of the end of this and maybe we can start looking to the future. WATP Goodnight .The marching orders haven't been handed out yet, mate. Sure tomorrow will be slightly more exciting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawdeepLoyal 94 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 His personal wealth is "only" £40m, but the rest of his group has remained pretty anonymous thusfarOnly a fool declares his wealth - the more you have the more the taxman wants. On paper your a pauper - offshore your not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobatai 70 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 If the shares I got for my 21st are now worthless why aren't the ones that whyte got from murray equally worthless?Whyte's shares are just as worthless as yours ... it's the so-called "floating charge" that he holds over Rangers that gives him clout going forward. However, it befuddles my poor inadequate brain that both Whyte, via his " floating charge", and Ticketus can both be creditors of the club for what appears to be the same money. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCutch 4,340 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Whyte's shares are just as worthless as yours ... it's the so-called "floating charge" that he holds over Rangers that gives him clout going forward. However, it befuddles my poor inadequate brain that both Whyte, via his " floating charge", and Ticketus can both be creditors of the club for what appears to be the same money.I am equally as beffudled on that one mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermopylae 15,286 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Whyte's shares are just as worthless as yours ... it's the so-called "floating charge" that he holds over Rangers that gives him clout going forward. However, it befuddles my poor inadequate brain that both Whyte, via his " floating charge", and Ticketus can both be creditors of the club for what appears to be the same money.The whole system seems to be set up to favour shysters like whyte Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermopylae 15,286 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 How many have you got.It was 3 originally that (as far as I can remember) became 300? Anyway, it's the setimental attachment they were bought for me by my late parents and now murray and whyte have made them worthless Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non_Sucumbi 876 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 So far all I get out of this latest development is:1) TBK asked to ante up 500K for an exclusivety deal - they either failed or refused to do so. We're talking millions to save the club yet they can't pny up 500k?? I see that as odd.2) Bill Ng + Ticketus. All the information on this front appears speculation from Paul Murray + TBK who leak stories the way selliks defence leaks goals.Who will the supporters groups support now? Bit premature throwing all their support behind TBK in the first place - no? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane 338 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 It was 3 originally that (as far as I can remember) became 300? Anyway, it's the setimental attachment they were bought for me by my late parents and now murray and whyte have made them worthlessFeel for ya, mate. I'm going to start buying them up for my son whenever this is somewhat sorted. No way we ever get here again, right? ................right? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermopylae 15,286 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Never say never ... the Milan players when they saw the place full for an old crocks game said how can this club be in trouble but if you have the wrong people at the top it can happen to anybody Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane 338 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Never say never ... the Milan players when they saw the place full for an old crocks game said how can this club be in trouble but if you have the wrong people at the top it can happen to anybody Have you seen this?http://www.chiseland...dium_model.htmlWant it. They've also got one of Cincinnati's Union Terminal, trying to talk the wife into the pair.*Know it's off topic but it just jumped in there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaffbear 4,096 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Could mean 12 singaporean burds being Cheerleaders.See!! every cloud. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non_Sucumbi 876 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Could mean 12 singaporean burds being Cheerleaders.See!! every cloud.Singapore girl what a great way to fly!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozblue 4,331 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Haha.Me and you could converse on the bad boyYou and casey on twitter twatter fucking shut the doors Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 what I says been Widely reported. if its not true then obviously I am wrong. if not then the anti tbk brigade should put away the party hats. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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