gunslinger 270 Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Aye - whats in it for Miller - that is a decent question. But a man with a plan that takes on Shyte in court and has leadership - I wonder if he is our Fergus McCann - who knew him and his motivation was cash - and look how well he did.I would have NO issues with Miller making cash out of this if he did something akin to what McCann achieved for the great unwashed!McCann was a celtc fan who had been trying to help the yahoos out for decades before he finally did. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 McCann was a celtc fan who had been trying to help the yahoos out for decades before he finally did.Like Mr Ng? Like Craig Shyte?Maybe we dont need a fan - maybe we need someone in it for the cash, someone more dispassionate! I dont have all the answers but as a fan group we now know all the questions! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Like Mr Ng? Like Craig Shyte?Maybe we dont need a fan - maybe we need someone in it for the cash, someone more dispassionate! I dont have all the answers but as a fan group we now know all the questions!and why would a non fan get involved? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 108,515 Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Listen I can make this easy for people to understand!If millers bid is to enable him to make money, Rangers have to be a well run business, so anyone able to tell me the flaw in this?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 he's making money out us. also we don't have to be successful just run at a profit. what if he's going to lease us the stadium he doesn't even need to own us for long then. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 and why would a non fan get involved?Jeso GS I thought you could read - for the cash - question already answered - same as Bunnet McCann! Same as the Glaziers and ManU - for the cash.This is a £50M asset available for (lets say all in £20M) - even upto £30M - double(ish) your money in say 5 years - not bad!Buy it - sort it out - run it well and at end of 5 years sell it on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 bill miller is 65 he's selling shares in his own company to buy us. he's investing a large part of the wealth he has to do it. I suspect he's not doing it for our good. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 108,515 Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 he's making money out us. also we don't have to be successful just run at a profit. what if he's going to lease us the stadium he doesn't even need to own us for long then.What if he has absolutley zero plans for us to lease the stadium from him?GS look mate your really really hard work during this process, we know you want TBK but why are you stating things as fact that we don't have a clue if its true or not? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tam3r0wn 12 Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 I'm very upset at all this. What a state we are in. I never thought it would go this far.Someone needs to bail us out. Quickly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 What if he has absolutley zero plans for us to lease the stadium from him?GS look mate your really really hard work during this process, we know you want TBK but why are you stating things as fact that we don't have a clue if its true or not?that's why I said what if. what do you think his motive is? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 108,515 Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 that's why I said what if. what do you think his motive is?To make money ofcourse! For that to happen Rangers need to be run to a sound business plan! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Jeso GS I thought you could read - for the cash - question already answered - same as Bunnet McCann! Same as the Glaziers and ManU - for the cash.This is a £50M asset available for (lets say all in £20M) - even upto £30M - double(ish) your money in say 5 years - not bad!Buy it - sort it out - run it well and at end of 5 years sell it on.he's not going to get 50 million in assets. all he's getting are good will (very little at that) ibrox and mp. two utterly useless pieces of land and any players who go. good luck with the players. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibby10 10 Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 It's gettin so feckin muddy & distorted it's one foot forward and 3 back and now with the sanctions from SFA . Not clued up on rules too much but with this new ruling of only being able to sign 18yr old and under players what happens with this ruling if we get liquidated ( which nobody wants ) and newco it. It just seems ever ruling stacks up against a survival package or CVA . How many current players over 18 run out of contract in the summer ? If Bill Miller is as serious as he says he is i just wish he'd maybe make some presence in Glasgow. Even Shyte had the balls to show up in Edinburgh at the weekend. Now has the cheek of asking for 2 seats for life !!! would love to see him turn up to take that seat ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 To make money ofcourse! For that to happen Rangers need to be run to a sound business plan!yeah cheep players low wages. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,600 Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 The bk boys are rubbishing the Miller bid but never ask themselves why he the only one with a plan when they have had months of inaction. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 he's not going to get 50 million in assets. all he's getting are good will (very little at that) ibrox and mp. two utterly useless pieces of land and any players who go. good luck with the players. I am afraid you are showing up your lack of knowledge about business turnaround here.Rangers in Europe regularily winning titles with its large customer base is a £50M+ asset - I did NOT say we were worth £50M now - I said he would be buying a £50M asset (which is (round figures) what we are worth when we are running 'normally') (Asset values are not just the tangible assets - like Ibrox but the intangible assets (like the fan base) (also depending on how you do your sums the players are an asset - and the asset value is low now due to impending gloom but at normal levels is worth a fair bit) )Rangers are (IMHO) a £50M - £75M asset that can be bought now for a lot less that - therefore well worth investing in for anyone. (Killer is BTC ) which is why newco is the simplist business route. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non_Sucumbi 876 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 and why would a non fan get involved?Why dont you tell us - you have the answers to everything else Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non_Sucumbi 876 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Ellis confirmed it in an interview. can people not read ffs.Post your source..... or a link... or even a square slice Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Post your source..... or a link... or even a square sliceI did. it was in the record. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 I am afraid you are showing up your lack of knowledge about business turnaround here.Rangers in Europe regularily winning titles with its large customer base is a £50M+ asset - I did NOT say we were worth £50M now - I said he would be buying a £50M asset (which is (round figures) what we are worth when we are running 'normally') (Asset values are not just the tangible assets - like Ibrox but the intangible assets (like the fan base) (also depending on how you do your sums the players are an asset - and the asset value is low now due to impending gloom but at normal levels is worth a fair bit) )Rangers are (IMHO) a £50M - £75M asset that can be bought now for a lot less that - therefore well worth investing in for anyone. (Killer is BTC ) which is why newco is the simplist business route.strange theirs not a que of buyers lined up then. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non_Sucumbi 876 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 I did. it was in the record.Oh that's sorted then it must be true........ Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan_ger 1,454 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 I find the hostility to the Bill Miller bid a bit perplexing. Right now he is the only one who has stepped up. Would people rather the admin just put the assets up for sale instead of going with Millers plan? TBK still haven't stepped up, what the fuck are they playing at? For weeks they have been mouthing off and yet they have come up with nothing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 strange theirs not a que of buyers lined up then.Still takes 20m or so ... If I had that. I'd be there Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non_Sucumbi 876 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 I find the hostility to the Bill Miller bid a bit perplexing. Right now he is the only one who has stepped up. Would people rather the admin just put the assets up for sale instead of going with Millers plan? TBK still haven't stepped up, what the fuck are they playing at? For weeks they have been mouthing off and yet they have come up with nothing.Agreed ANDI again ask the mods to PLEASE change the thread title to Bill Miller only. The 'middle name' in the current title is uncalled for (at the moment?) and is insulting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemdale1873 167 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 The administrators have more or less confirmed on Clyde it it's common knowledge that his plan is to liquidate us we cannot allow him to do thatNothing is going to be liquidated, his plan is more or less what Celtic did in 1994.Start a new company and put the old one in cold storage while it works its problems out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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