caseyjones 3,009 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 So you don't see where the "new rules" have been breached, I will leave it with you maybe Stevie Wonder can help you out. Nae bother, Studs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmiston Drive 3,846 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 I think we can sign him and pay what we wantThey just wont register him to play. So he can't earn a win bonus and cant impress perspective future employersFor me he is being restricted and treated less favourably than othersThe player holds all the cardsStep forward Rino or NachoAgree Bosman proved it can be done. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevelyan 44 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Well what are we waiting for, indeed why wasn't it implemented prior to the hearing taking place?We probably wont move until we find out CVA or newcoIn case SFA put a spanner in the worksNow if it were down to me or you we would sign a player as soon as and line up a friendlyWin it and no bonus for the player Player goes straight to court Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseyjones 3,009 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 We probably cant move until we find out CVA or newcoWhat does that have to do with the SFA rules? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLawMan 6,240 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 I am not much interested in what the sfa say, I am interested in what a court of the land will say.Given that it was a Judge who sits in the High court of justiciary who upheld the decision, then im gonna guess that it would end in the same manner if it went to a court Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseyjones 3,009 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 I think we can sign him and pay what we wantThey just wont register him to play. So he can't earn a win bonus and cant impress perspective future employersFor me he is being restricted and treated less favourably than othersThe player holds all the cardsStep forward Rino or NachoAny player who signs will be aware that he can't be registered, and therefore, can't play to impress prospective employers. There is nothing stopping the club from paying win bonuses to employees who do not cross the white line. The management team are a prime example. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray 105 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Nae bother, Studs.No answer more like, made a bit of a james of yourself again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseyjones 3,009 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 No answer more like, made a bit of a james of yourself again. I fail to see where - you've failed to point out where. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmiston Drive 3,846 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Given that it was a Judge who sits in the High court of justiciary who upheld the decision, then im gonna guess that it would end in the same manner if it went to a court Who picked the judge?And who is to say another judge would see things in the same light......unless you are saying that those alleged reports about the Scottish judges and Thailand are factual. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray 105 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Given that it was a Judge who sits in the High court of justiciary who upheld the decision, then im gonna guess that it would end in the same manner if it went to a court You guess, I will rely on a court to uphold fairness natural justice and equitableness. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevelyan 44 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Any player who signs will be aware that he can't be registered, and therefore, can't play to impress prospective employers. There is nothing stopping the club from paying win bonuses to employees who do not cross the white line. The management team are a prime example.It matters not that he is awareHe is signing for the club. He know full well what he is getting himself into He is being prevented from earning the same wages as his workmatesThe club cannot be expected to pay him win bonus if he doesn't playIt's the player, NOT the club or the SFA who holds all the aces Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLawMan 6,240 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Who picked the judge?And who is to say another judge would see things in the same light......unless you are saying that those alleged reports about the Scottish judges and Thailand are factual.The SFA picked the Judge. No guarantee another judge would see things in the same light but if i absolutely had to put my mortgage on it, then i would plump for another judge agreeing with Lord Carloway and not Ray from rangersmedia Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray 105 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Who picked the judge?And who is to say another judge would see things in the same light......unless you are saying that those alleged reports about the Scottish judges and Thailand are factual.According to the "rules" being promoted as being our only recourse and we should be thankful for them and their impartial execution, it shouldn't have been a judge who sat, it should have been lunny. A clear breach of protocol and implementation of these "fair and unbiased" rules.* The Disciplinary Procedures will be rewritten and a new Judicial Panel will be convened, led by a new Compliance Officer, to deal expediently with all disciplinary matters across Scottish FA jurisdiction. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLawMan 6,240 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 According to the "rules" being promoted as being our only recourse and we should be thankful for them and their impartial execution, it shouldn't have been a judge who sat, it should have been lunny. A clear breach of protocol and implementation of these "fair and unbiased" rules.* The Disciplinary Procedures will be rewritten and a new Judicial Panel will be convened, led by a new Compliance Officer, to deal expediently with all disciplinary matters across Scottish FA jurisdiction.The judge sat on the appeal though. Not the original disciplinary action Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmiston Drive 3,846 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 The SFA picked the Judge. No guarantee another judge would see things in the same light but if i absolutely had to put my mortgage on it, then i would plump for another judge agreeing with Lord Carloway and not Ray from rangersmedia So the alleged Thailand stories are true then Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseyjones 3,009 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 It matters not that he is awareHe is signing for the club. He know full well what he is getting himself into He is being prevented from earning the same wages as his workmatesThe club cannot be expected to pay him win bonus if he doesn't playIt's the player, NOT the club or the SFA who holds all the acesWhen a player signs a contract there are all sorts of clauses put in. Why not one which includes a bonus based on the results of the team, whether he makes a contribution or not?By your logic, a player signing for Hibs should be able to demand CL football through the courts simply because the league qualification rules are skewed in favour of the clubs which finish at the top of the table! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevelyan 44 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 The SFA picked the Judge. No guarantee another judge would see things in the same light but if i absolutely had to put my mortgage on it, then i would plump for another judge agreeing with Lord Carloway and not Ray from rangersmedia Im not so sure mateI think thats the same judge that deemed the two lines of a song racist and that it was part of the other versionEven though the two line chant came before the other version TFSAlso deemed the song racist aginst Irish,even though it was written and produced,by an Irish passport holder as a wind upI think maybe a conflict of interests for this guyI would prefer another judgeIm not 100% but I think it was himAnyway teabreak over speak later Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLawMan 6,240 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 So the alleged Thailand stories are true thenI have no idea what you are talking about im afraid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseyjones 3,009 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 I have no idea what you are talking about im afraid. Something which happened years ago and is now 'news', according to some, not ED though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray 105 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 The judge sat on the appeal though. Not the original disciplinary action I am well aware of what appeals panel /tribunal Carloway sat on, lunny according to your favoured rules is responsible for leading all disciplinary matters across Scottish FA jurisdiction. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLawMan 6,240 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 I am well aware of what appeals panel /tribunal Carloway sat on, lunny according to your favoured rules is responsible for leading all disciplinary matters across Scottish FA jurisdiction.Yeah. The judicial panel, as set out by the rules you quoted, convened, held the original investigation and made a decision in accordance with the disciplinary procedures you quoted.so can you please explain, how on earth that is a breach of protocol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray 105 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Yeah. The judicial panel, as set out by the rules you quoted, convened, held the original investigation and made a decision in accordance with the disciplinary procedures you quoted.so can you please explain, how on earth that is a breach of protocol. I would suggest the "rules" which you promote so whole heartedly are self explanatory on that matter, perhaps you think they should clarify the compliance officers role "led by a new Compliance Officer, to deal expediently with all disciplinary matters across Scottish FA jurisdiction".Seems pretty clear to me, but I suppose you could have a compliance officer an ex PF at that and bench him, sort of let some one else do the job he is supposed to do maybe he wasn't quite up to the task but a guy without a club and a dude from Spartans were. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLawMan 6,240 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 I would suggest the "rules" which you promote so whole heartedly are self explanatory on that matter, perhaps you think they should clarify the compliance officers role "led by a new Compliance Officer, to deal expediently with all disciplinary matters across Scottish FA jurisdiction".Seems pretty clear to me, but I suppose you could have a compliance officer an ex PF at that and bench him, sort of let some one else do the job he is supposed to do maybe he wasn't quite up to the task but a guy without a club and a dude from Spartans were.I somehow think even if they did explain his role, it still wouldnt be good enough for you. It would have been easier if you had just said you got that bit wrong and now accept protocol was followed, irrespective of how unfair the decision may feel at present for us all.The bottom line though is that the SFA will argue the decision is fair and equitable and would point to a High Court judge upholding that decision as a testament to that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 the important part is it would be the player challengeing it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray 105 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 I somehow think even if they did explain his role, it still wouldnt be good enough for you. It would have been easier if you had just said you got that bit wrong and now accept protocol was followed, irrespective of how unfair the decision may feel at present for us all.The bottom line though is that the SFA will argue the decision is fair and equitable and would point to a High Court judge upholding that decision as a testament to that. You seem to have trouble understanding "with all disciplinary matters across Scottish FA jurisdiction"I would expect no less from someone so slavishly supporting something so patently unjust, like I said we should let the court decide rather than you or a kangaroo panel who made up "rules" to suit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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