The Godfather 71,878 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 If found guilty would that mean the sale is null and void?Don't know but the damage to our club has already been done and this could take some time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosesMcNeil 1,664 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Sky announced this as more bad news for Rangers. I strongly disagree. If we have been the victims of a corporate fraud then the punishments and witch hunts will be put into focus and perspective. And Whyte or Murray could get the jail.I'm delighted to hear the authorities are moving this forward. And what a damning, shameful sequence of events it will prove to be from all those who have hammered The Rangers for the actions of individuals if they are duly found guilty. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky_ 893 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 I'm sure this doesn't involve Murray. Murray never actually done anythign illegal as far as i'm aware, the EBT scheme was legal. The HMRC woudl have braught Murray to criminal trial liek they did Redknapp if it wasn't, they merely contested the amount of tax pai. It was more like a damages claim.I'm certain this relates to Whyte's conduct during the takeover deal, of 1. Buying the club against future assets/revenue of the club, which is illegal. 2. the deciept in obtaining the initial funds, lying to ticketus & murray, and also using forged documents for proof of fundng3. taxing the ibrox staff and doing god-knows-whit with it instead of giving it to the taxman.The biggest question is, is it ethical to punish the club if the club is victim to criminal behaviour, and when the damage was done in a take-over deal which should be rendered void?Is it ethical for the debt to be left to be liquidated with the old PLC while whyte washes his hands of it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmiston Drive 3,846 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 This could be serious for D&P after all .have they not been involved from day one with whyte......according to many on here and especially by an ex poster and one who doesn't post on Bears Den.....well hasn't for a while now............maybe self exile...............Elba I think Yet the said paperwork handed into the police by D&P well done again lads............and fingers crossed when you get right into that bastard mark (hanging on the telephone) daly Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Williamson. 82,179 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Since this ordeal you've went from easy-going, laid back, cool guy to the the same but considerably more angry and bitter.I love it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuggy 1,308 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Whyte's probably already done a Lord Lucan. I still can't figure out what this guy's plan with Rangers was. It was obvious he planned to force us into administration, he must have thought the CVA would be agreed, after that its a mystery. In order of blame its Whyte, Murray and Lloyds bank.Shuggy Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmiston Drive 3,846 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 I'm sure this doesn't involve Murray. Murray never actually done anythign illegal as far as i'm aware, the EBT scheme was legal. The HMRC woudl have braught Murray to criminal trial liek they did Redknapp if it wasn't, they merely contested the amount of tax pai. It was more like a damages claim.I'm certain this relates to Whyte's conduct during the takeover deal, of 1. Buying the club against future assets/revenue of the club, which is illegal. 2. the deciept in obtaining the initial funds, lying to ticketus & murray, and also using forged documents for proof of fundng3. taxing the ibrox staff and doing god-knows-whit with it instead of giving it to the taxman.The bigegst question is, is it ethical to punish the club if the club is victim to criminal behaviour, and when the damage was done in a take-over deal which should be rendered void?Is it ethical for the debt to be left to be liquidated with the old PLC while whyte washes his hands of it?murray the chunt had a responsibility to make siue everything was above board with whyte and to confirm exactly where his money was coming from........... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLASGOWRFC 101 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 I'm sure this doesn't involve Murray. Murray never actually done anythign illegal as far as i'm aware, the EBT scheme was legal. The HMRC woudl have braught Murray to criminal trial liek they did Redknapp if it wasn't, they merely contested the amount of tax pai. It was more like a damages claim.I'm certain this relates to Whyte's conduct during the takeover deal, of 1. Buying the club against future assets/revenue of the club, which is illegal. 2. the deciept in obtaining the initial funds, lying to ticketus & murray, and also using forged documents for proof of fundng3. taxing the ibrox staff and doing god-knows-whit with it instead of giving it to the taxman.The bigegst question is, is it ethical to punish the club if the club is victim to criminal behaviour, and when the damage was done in a take-over deal which should be rendered void?Is it ethical for the debt to be left to be liquidated with the old PLC while whyte washes his hands of it?If whyte's takeover procedure was a criminal act and it's proven the deal should be rendered void.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ca11um 30 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 i hope whyte gets whats coming to him - same as murray Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54andcounting 627 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 I'm sure this doesn't involve Murray. Murray never actually done anythign illegal as far as i'm aware, the EBT scheme was legal. The HMRC woudl have braught Murray to criminal trial liek they did Redknapp if it wasn't, they merely contested the amount of tax pai. It was more like a damages claim.I'm certain this relates to Whyte's conduct during the takeover deal, of 1. Buying the club against future assets/revenue of the club, which is illegal. 2. the deciept in obtaining the initial funds, lying to ticketus & murray, and also using forged documents for proof of fundng3. taxing the ibrox staff and doing god-knows-whit with it instead of giving it to the taxman.The bigegst question is, is it ethical to punish the club if the club is victim to criminal behaviour, and when the damage was done in a take-over deal which should be rendered void?Is it ethical for the debt to be left to be liquidated with the old PLC while whyte washes his hands of it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky_ 893 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 murray the chunt had a responsibility to make siue everything was above board with whyte and to confirm exactly where his money was coming from...........i think Murray might be covered here. The contract put in place by him will have stated that Whyte must clear the Lloyds debt. I'm sure that it's already been proven in a court that Gary Whithey from collyer Bristow provided Whyte with forged documents to state he had the necessary funds in his account to clear the Lloyds debt. Given Whytes character, the ticketus deal certainly would have been kept secret from Murray. There has also been talk from staff at Ibrox that Whytes dodgy tenure at Ibrox even seen him photoshop invoices. The cunt is a scam artist. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemdale1873 167 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Good.....still can't understand how the fecker Whyte got away with selling our season tickets to ticketus before even owning the club? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Negri's Beard 1,423 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 If whyte's takeover procedure was a criminal act and it's proven the deal should be rendered void..Christ my heid would burst with this. What would that even mean? Would Murray still own us? Would all that has come after it be deemed null and void (surely not - we can but wish)? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather 71,878 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Murray should get taken to task too. He is a vile bastard who sold us down the river to a mad man. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebooler 4,509 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 What does this mean for us?I asked about this a few weeks ago. If Whyte, or Murray, were to be found guilty, and NOT the club, would we get our 10 points back, our fines returned, and heavily compensated for the damage the SFA have done to our club? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Rd 2,860 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Do RFC have a case to answer at all with the SFA/SPL if they have been victiims of fraud? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmiston Drive 3,846 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 i think Murray might be covered here. The contract put in place by him will have stated that Whyte must clear the Lloyds debt. I'm sure that it's already been proven in a court that Gary Whithey from collyer Bristow provided Whyte with forged documents to state he had the necessary funds in his account to clear the Lloyds debt. Given Whytes character, the ticketus deal certainly would have been kept secret from Murray. There has also been talk from staff at Ibrox that Whytes dodgy tenure at Ibrox even seen him photoshop invoices. The cunt is a scam artist.murray would have had him checked out was very good at doing this was dupe murray fae Ayr, Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblueal 2,117 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 It's been said many times that Whye deliberately put us under. I hope it can be proved and he goes to jail. Punish the victim, the SFA motto. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Procurator Fiscal now to work with Strathclde Police to investigate acquisition and financial management of #RangersFrom Chris McLaughlin @BBCchrismclaugFucking A ..... and they better find something serious - real serious to charge him with... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebooler 4,509 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 I wonder if the Procurator Fiscal will find the SFA guilty of failing to do due diligence on Whyte?This could rumble on for years. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boss 1,941 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 This could be serious for D&P after all .have they not been involved from day one with whyte......according to many on here and especially by an ex poster and one who doesn't post on Bears Den.....well hasn't for a while now............maybe self exile...............Elba I think Yet the said paperwork handed into the police by D&P well done again lads............and fingers crossed when you get right into that bastard mark (hanging on the telephone) daly Exactly. Penny for the thought of the conspiracy theorists now! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosesMcNeil 1,664 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 paperwork handed into the police by D&PThe Crown stated: "The investigation into alleged criminality follows a preliminary police examination of information passed to them in February this year by the club administrators.So much for the conspiracy theories regarding D&P woking for the benefit of Whyte. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosesMcNeil 1,664 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Exactly. Penny for the thought of the conspiracy theorists now!Great minds think alike?Fools seldom differ Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebooler 4,509 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Do RFC have a case to answer at all with the SFA/SPL if they have been victiims of fraud?Whilst I'm no Lawyer, I've been asking this myself.The PF could find Whyte guilty of fraud and the SFA guilty of failing to protect one of its member clubs.Would we then be compensated for loss of points, income, players, status, etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblueal 2,117 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 I can see a public enquiry coming. Enough public interest to get it all out there and learn lessons for future deals Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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