Charles Green claims he and his investors are resolute

[54andcounting]

Charles Green claims he and his investors are resolute in their Ibrox project despite facing the certainty of launching newco Rangers outside the Clydesdale Bank Premier League.

Green discovered his application to join the SPL was doomed to failure while having talks with PFA Scotland officials over the contentious issue of whether players are free to leave.

The prospect of more players following the example of Rhys McCabe, Sone Aluko, Steven Naismith and Steven Whittaker in rejecting the transfer of their contracts to his new company increased when Inverness, Aberdeen and St Johnstone all confirmed on Monday that they would oppose Green's bid.

They joined Dundee United, Hearts and Hibernian in making their intentions public, leaving Green with no chance of securing the 8-4 majority needed.

The former Sheffield United chief executive has faced consistent reports that he has struggled to raise investment over and above the £5.5million needed to fund his purchase of the assets of Rangers, which is heading for liquidation.

However, Green's Sevco group rejected a bid from a consortium led by former Rangers manager Walter Smith days after completing their deal and he insisted he would continue his attempts to revive the Ibrox club.

Green told Sky Sports News: "I'm obviously disappointed but we have to deal with the cards we have been dealt.

"It's unfortunate people have come out and made these comments when my understanding was that there was going to be a vote next Wednesday, but I can't control other clubs.

"The consortium realised that if we went down the newco route it was a risk. It doesn't alter their resolve.

"Those guys invested knowing these were obstacles that were outside their control and the resolve is there to see this job finished.

"I said at Murray Park on the 13th of May that my job will be finished when we have got financial security, when the debts are paid, when it's floated on the stock market and the fans have got the right and the opportunity to buy shares. And nothing has changed since the 13th of May."

Green added: "We really need now to get behind the club because we can see both from what's been said by the SPL and what's been happening with the players that really, really you need to unify and unite behind Rangers.

"Let's now start moving this club forward, stop the fighting, stop the disagreements, get behind the club.

"Irrespective of whether I am CEO or whether I'm not CEO, this is about Rangers. It's much bigger than Charles Green."

Talks have taken place over a reconstruction package that would see the new Rangers start life in the Irn-Bru First Division but Falkirk have already made their opposition known and the fan power that swayed SPL chairmen could conceivably see Green forced to apply for entry to the Third Division.

"That's something we have got to work on over the next few days," he said.

"First thing we have got to get membership of the SFA and then start speaking to the football league."

Green remains at odds with the union over players' rights to join another club but he adopted a less aggressive stance today after threatening legal action over the weekend.

"I met the PFA group really for the first time today although my guys have been speaking to them over the last few days," Green said after arriving back at Ibrox.

"It was a very constructive meeting and we look forward to seeing the players on Thursday when they report back for training.

"All players want to play at the highest level but I look at what's behind me now and this is a huge club, irrespective of what league its in.

"And if someone wants to go and play in another league, they won't be playing at a bigger club than this."

The PFA revealed the topic of employment law was discussed only briefly in the "constructive" talks with Green.

Chief executive Fraser Wishart said: "We both acknowledged that whilst we disagree upon the fundamental issues surrounding our members' rights to object to the transfer to the newco, we can at the same time respect the other parties' position and allow the process to flow without acrimony.

"I would like to make it clear that the players who have objected so far have had to make a decision which has been a footballing one. In recent days SPL clubs have made their position clear and it is now increasingly unlikely that the newco will be playing in the SPL next season.

"This, added to the three-year ban from European competitions, the uncertainty over which league they will play in and what further sanctions the football authorities may impose, has left the players who have ambitions to play for their international team and in Europe with an extremely difficult decision.

"PFA Scotland will meet with the players who agree to the transfer on their return to pre-season training as our role is to ensure that all their contractual obligations are transferred with them.

"We will also continue to advise any member who wishes to take up the option of objecting as to his rights under employment law, a position which we have made clear previously and has not changed."

We are at the point that we need to pay up or shut up, buy,renew, for you or your faimily (if you can).

[Inkster]

Bring on the new season wherever we end up,watp!

[Claddie]

You know as much as he's still to earn trust the way things are shaping he's probably got the balls to see it happen.

[54andcounting]

You know as much as he's still to earn trust the way things are shaping he's probably got the balls to see it happen.

I see no reason not to trust him ( at the moment) let's face it, we need to back him! as none are backing us.

[DarcheVinny]

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.

[Bertent]

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.

Well its worked for the Nazis and Taigs.

[Edmiston Drive]

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.

Can you tell me why he is lying..............................and why go through all this expenditure for what reason.....they know that money can be made fro selling their shares in the med/long term..............who is actually paying for the day to day running costs of the club,,,,,,,,,,,,,the players salaries are paid when........this week or was it last week.....................at this stage bearing in mind that the season has been over for a while now.........why no redundancies within the staff?

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh but they can sell the assets.........yeah spot on if someone wants to buy them..........have you dealt with or noticed that commercial property has fallen a fair bit over the years..........The banks are holding on to all the stuff they have called in.......for what reason...........to sit tight and wait for things to pick up and cash in.......ahhhhhhhhhhhhh but houses , people are running from any resi developments, everyone is holding on to existing land banks and trying to build on them.

Do you really expect them to enter this deal and think we can double or money within a month..........................nope, they should and would be surprised if they didn't have contingency plans for not playing in the spl/

Positives ..............................re the business...................

£17mil........................... season ticket capital, although that is in doubt because of various people calling for a boycott.....and yet mock fans of these bastardised clubs for suggesting the same.

The world wide brand that everyone keeps saying we have.

At last maybe freedom to do our own deals as a club.positive.............

Every second week the prospect of £240k coming in through the gates , if everyone keeps going to support and support means financial in match day tickets to fill the ground and to let the players on the park see a filled stadium. Now re his lying...............I can' say yes or no to that , as I take the view that things change daily with us as we all know..............so what he says today can come over as a lie tomorrow.

Who else is coming over the hill to the rescue...............................the fan talk we have heard about well if put together properly with fit and proper people running it and by that I mean no convictions and no embarrassing cheque fiascos. And pull money together and purchase shares with a committee having the right to vote on behalf of these shares.......just like Malcolm Murray was the voice for the 25% of the shares in Man Utd on behalf of a pension scheme.

Now it could be everything that I have said above , being my thoughts could turn out to be keech, but the other side of the coin these guys once every bit of keech is settled and we know who we play against , then if they walk away a later date with a healthy club to sell and they cash in on their shares.............good luck i say.

That is why I couldn't understand McColl/Park not putting in their £6m to get on the PLC board and be in a good position to make their move plus that money would help the club just now.

[Moraybluenose]

Can you tell me why he is lying..............................and why go through all this expenditure for what reason.....they know that money can be made fro selling their shares in the med/long term..............who is actually paying for the day to day running costs of the club,,,,,,,,,,,,,the players salaries are paid when........this week or was it last week.....................at this stage bearing in mind that the season has been over for a while now.........why no redundancies within the staff?

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh but they can sell the assets.........yeah spot on if someone wants to buy them..........have you dealt with or noticed that commercial property has fallen a fair bit over the years..........The banks are holding on to all the stuff they have called in.......for what reason...........to sit tight and wait for things to pick up and cash in.......ahhhhhhhhhhhhh but houses , people are running from any resi developments, everyone is holding on to existing land banks and trying to build on them.

Do you really expect them to enter this deal and think we can double or money within a month..........................nope, they should and would be surprised if they didn't have contingency plans for not playing in the spl/

Positives ..............................re the business...................

£17mil........................... season ticket capital, although that is in doubt because of various people calling for a boycott.....and yet mock fans of these bastardised clubs for suggesting the same.

The world wide brand that everyone keeps saying we have.

At last maybe freedom to do our own deals as a club.positive.............

Every second week the prospect of £240k coming in through the gates , if everyone keeps going to support and support means financial in match day tickets to fill the ground and to let the players on the park see a filled stadium. Now re his lying...............I can' say yes or no to that , as I take the view that things change daily with us as we all know..............so what he says today can come over as a lie tomorrow.

Who else is coming over the hill to the rescue...............................the fan talk we have heard about well if put together properly with fit and proper people running it and by that I mean no convictions and no embarrassing cheque fiascos. And pull money together and purchase shares with a committee having the right to vote on behalf of these shares.......just like Malcolm Murray was the voice for the 25% of the shares in Man Utd on behalf of a pension scheme.

Now it could be everything that I have said above , being my thoughts could turn out to be keech, but the other side of the coin these guys once every bit of keech is settled and we know who we play against , then if they walk away a later date with a healthy club to sell and they cash in on their shares.............good luck i say.

That is why I couldn't understand McColl/Park not putting in their £6m to get on the PLC board and be in a good position to make their move plus that money would help the club just now.

I cant understand this either, then when they get the offer to join forces they decide to pull the plug

[Edmiston Drive]

I cant understand this either, then when they get the offer to join forces they decide to pull the plug

Especially when they said they did not wish to own the club..... merely protect it as in assets.

[Blue Forever]

Can you tell me why he is lying..............................and why go through all this expenditure for what reason.....they know that money can be made fro selling their shares in the med/long term..............who is actually paying for the day to day running costs of the club,,,,,,,,,,,,,the players salaries are paid when........this week or was it last week.....................at this stage bearing in mind that the season has been over for a while now.........why no redundancies within the staff?

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh but they can sell the assets.........yeah spot on if someone wants to buy them..........have you dealt with or noticed that commercial property has fallen a fair bit over the years..........The banks are holding on to all the stuff they have called in.......for what reason...........to sit tight and wait for things to pick up and cash in.......ahhhhhhhhhhhhh but houses , people are running from any resi developments, everyone is holding on to existing land banks and trying to build on them.

Do you really expect them to enter this deal and think we can double or money within a month..........................nope, they should and would be surprised if they didn't have contingency plans for not playing in the spl/

Positives ..............................re the business...................

£17mil........................... season ticket capital, although that is in doubt because of various people calling for a boycott.....and yet mock fans of these bastardised clubs for suggesting the same.

The world wide brand that everyone keeps saying we have.

At last maybe freedom to do our own deals as a club.positive.............

Every second week the prospect of £240k coming in through the gates , if everyone keeps going to support and support means financial in match day tickets to fill the ground and to let the players on the park see a filled stadium. Now re his lying...............I can' say yes or no to that , as I take the view that things change daily with us as we all know..............so what he says today can come over as a lie tomorrow.

Who else is coming over the hill to the rescue...............................the fan talk we have heard about well if put together properly with fit and proper people running it and by that I mean no convictions and no embarrassing cheque fiascos. And pull money together and purchase shares with a committee having the right to vote on behalf of these shares.......just like Malcolm Murray was the voice for the 25% of the shares in Man Utd on behalf of a pension scheme.

Now it could be everything that I have said above , being my thoughts could turn out to be keech, but the other side of the coin these guys once every bit of keech is settled and we know who we play against , then if they walk away a later date with a healthy club to sell and they cash in on their shares.............good luck i say.

That is why I couldn't understand McColl/Park not putting in their £6m to get on the PLC board and be in a good position to make their move plus that money would help the club just now.

Didn't Green demand £8m for a 50% stake in the club, that wasn't really a 50% stake since Zeus were retaining control over the board? Doesn't seem like a terrific deal from McColl/Park's point of view.

Also, does it not bother you that you do not know who owns Rangers? All we've been given are names of companies and trusts, we still do not know who actually owns Rangers, which makes me uneasy.

[LegendofCoop]

He looked well gutted when he was interviewed on Sky.

Don't quite think he was prepared for just how much this club is hated by the rest of the league.

[Edmiston Drive]

Didn't Green demand £8m for a 50% stake in the club, that wasn't really a 50% stake since Zeus were retaining control over the board? Doesn't seem like a terrific deal from McColl/Park's point of view.

Also, does it not bother you that you do not know who owns Rangers? All we've been given are names of companies and trusts, we still do not know who actually owns Rangers, which makes me uneasy.

Why do you know who owns say tha bank you use,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Zeus deal with HNW clients and also have institutional investors that they have to carry out money laundering cheques on.............lets' say you are one of the investors..and you stipulate you do not wish your personal details to be published ......then wham. it's published and you get cunts like daly and these pricks from the press.............is it coincidence that they seem to be from a Roman Catholic background and you would want these bastards hounding you.

That was a business bluff to these heroes ......look they approached and offered £6m for the assets......why would these guys sell at a loss> the £8m was a statement of intent from green to say get real we have never asked for a buyer who came out of the woodwork and want us to walk away with a loss.

Tell me what would you have said.........hey Walter in you come , we will clear our desks by tomorrow............also do you believe McColl an Park would have used their own money and please read their statement again ...........was to buy the assets of the Ltd Co............no mention whatsoever as to how they would run the club and how much money and where is it coming from and one last thing.......why did they not offer the names of their other investors??

[nachothelegend]

Good I am glad Charles has realised he is Flogging a Dead Horse with the SPL. We maybe can start to prepare a Team and start the recovery in the Lower Leagues ,I am up for it and look forward to adding more Titles.

He has had to Learn about the Hatred in Scottish Football the Hard way.

[big dave mcpherson]

Can you tell me why he is lying..............................and why go through all this expenditure for what reason.....they know that money can be made fro selling their shares in the med/long term..............who is actually paying for the day to day running costs of the club,,,,,,,,,,,,,the players salaries are paid when........this week or was it last week.....................at this stage bearing in mind that the season has been over for a while now.........why no redundancies within the staff?

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh but they can sell the assets.........yeah spot on if someone wants to buy them..........have you dealt with or noticed that commercial property has fallen a fair bit over the years..........The banks are holding on to all the stuff they have called in.......for what reason...........to sit tight and wait for things to pick up and cash in.......ahhhhhhhhhhhhh but houses , people are running from any resi developments, everyone is holding on to existing land banks and trying to build on them.

Do you really expect them to enter this deal and think we can double or money within a month..........................nope, they should and would be surprised if they didn't have contingency plans for not playing in the spl/

Positives ..............................re the business...................

£17mil........................... season ticket capital, although that is in doubt because of various people calling for a boycott.....and yet mock fans of these bastardised clubs for suggesting the same.

The world wide brand that everyone keeps saying we have.

At last maybe freedom to do our own deals as a club.positive.............

Every second week the prospect of £240k coming in through the gates , if everyone keeps going to support and support means financial in match day tickets to fill the ground and to let the players on the park see a filled stadium. Now re his lying...............I can' say yes or no to that , as I take the view that things change daily with us as we all know..............so what he says today can come over as a lie tomorrow.

Who else is coming over the hill to the rescue...............................the fan talk we have heard about well if put together properly with fit and proper people running it and by that I mean no convictions and no embarrassing cheque fiascos. And pull money together and purchase shares with a committee having the right to vote on behalf of these shares.......just like Malcolm Murray was the voice for the 25% of the shares in Man Utd on behalf of a pension scheme.

Now it could be everything that I have said above , being my thoughts could turn out to be keech, but the other side of the coin these guys once every bit of keech is settled and we know who we play against , then if they walk away a later date with a healthy club to sell and they cash in on their shares.............good luck i say.

That is why I couldn't understand McColl/Park not putting in their £6m to get on the PLC board and be in a good position to make their move plus that money would help the club just now.

can you tell me why he is lying was your first question.....get real mate he has lied about 10 or 20 times to us already mate.

you fell for craig whytes tub thumping nonsense. It is easy to make a rousing speech mate anyone can do it but we havent seen evidence of him doing any of what he says.

what about this old chestnut where he said.....we are looking at 14 new players with 5 of them in the european championship at the moment!!! what alod of bs

charles green sells our team........that was his nickname at sheff united

[big dave mcpherson]

can you tell me why he is lying was your first question.....get real mate he has lied about 10 or 20 times to us already mate.

you fell for craig whytes tub thumping nonsense. It is easy to make a rousing speech mate anyone can do it but we havent seen evidence of him doing any of what he says.

what about this old chestnut where he said.....we are looking at 14 new players with 5 of them in the european championship at the moment!!! what alod of bs

charles green sells our team........that was his nickname at sheff united

sorry i never read yer full post there...some of it isnt bad.......green is just pissin me off alot with all his tub thumping nonsense as if he is one of us and how huge and great we are....................we are so huge and great he had never even heard of davie cooper...........so more sincerity and money required from this chancer

[Edmiston Drive]

can you tell me why he is lying was your first question.....get real mate he has lied about 10 or 20 times to us already mate.

you fell for craig whytes tub thumping nonsense. It is easy to make a rousing speech mate anyone can do it but we havent seen evidence of him doing any of what he says.

what about this old chestnut where he said.....we are looking at 14 new players with 5 of them in the european championship at the moment!!! what alod of bs

charles green sells our team........that was his nickname at sheff united

Forum is about giving an opinion and my "rousing speech" as you describe my point of view......is my reply to a post made .

Fell for whyte........need to think about that one..............hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm nope. that is rather a wide range re number of lies 10 or 20 times bud , think you have just made numbers up there.................what did you expect from him when he took control?

Re the comment every year a manager or chairman will tell you they are looking at players............14 , I thought he said 19 with 5 involved in the Euros!! So this was stated after he won his court case against the unlawful restriction og trade imposed by the sfa...... did he know that spl would not be achievable when he made this statement...............

Another statement I take it would be in your lies category.would no doubt be , he is confident of winning spl thumbs up.......now look at the statements that have been made from these sporting integrity chairman......and no doubt they have more than likely being saying one thing at meetings to him and his people , then doing the opposite............that to me is my opiniuon and the behaviour of these people ......would show that to be the case , hasten to add in my opinion.................oops another "rousing speech"

The bottom line is we would not be in this position if the RRRFs had moved with a bit more haste and realistic offer.............................but, well we know the rest.

[Edmiston Drive]

sorry i never read yer full post there...some of it isnt bad.......green is just pissin me off alot with all his tub thumping nonsense as if he is one of us and how huge and great we are....................we are so huge and great he had never even heard of davie cooper...........so more sincerity and money required from this chancer

Snap..............never read this ...............prior to my reply

[don1972]

did he not say he had 19 investors,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[tbblue]

I cant understand this either, then when they get the offer to join forces they decide to pull the plug

You cant join forces with a party you fundamentally don't trust, Mr Green has. Rep in footballing circles clearly and that is what is driving the astute rangers minded businessmen to stay at arms length.

[Carsons Dog]

Didn't Green demand £8m for a 50% stake in the club, that wasn't really a 50% stake since Zeus were retaining control over the board? Doesn't seem like a terrific deal from McColl/Park's point of view.

Also, does it not bother you that you do not know who owns Rangers? All we've been given are names of companies and trusts, we still do not know who actually owns Rangers, which makes me uneasy.

Nobody will own Rangers iff the fans don't put their money where their (oversized) mouths are

If people spent as much time and energy supporting the entity which is Rangers, regardless of the company who owns it, then the bandwagon of solidarity and unity would trample over our enemies, it may take some time but it will happen

Here's the stark choice

We support Green and support the club and we have a chance to rise like a Phoenix or we continue to snipe at his every move and hope that some Blue Knight bearing untold millions comes to rescue us from the fire

At the moment I don't see any knights on the horizon

What have we got to lose now?

A few hundred quid for a season ticket or the future of our club, our children's club and our grandchildrens club

Is that future worth a punt of a few hundred quid?

I'm in

[tbblue]

Forum is about giving an opinion and my "rousing speech" as you describe my point of view......is my reply to a post made .

Fell for whyte........need to think about that one..............hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm nope. that is rather a wide range re number of lies 10 or 20 times bud , think you have just made numbers up there.................what did you expect from him when he took control?

Re the comment every year a manager or chairman will tell you they are looking at players............14 , I thought he said 19 with 5 involved in the Euros!! So this was stated after he won his court case against the unlawful restriction og trade imposed by the sfa...... did he know that spl would not be achievable when he made this statement...............

Another statement I take it would be in your lies category.would no doubt be , he is confident of winning spl thumbs up.......now look at the statements that have been made from these sporting integrity chairman......and no doubt they have more than likely being saying one thing at meetings to him and his people , then doing the opposite............that to me is my opiniuon and the behaviour of these people ......would show that to be the case , hasten to add in my opinion.................oops another "rousing speech"

The bottom line is we would not be in this position if the RRRFs had moved with a bit more haste and realistic offer.............................but, well we know the rest.

Mmmmmm......So let's blame others to divert from the man telling these lies or at best....fanciful statements, designed to tell the masses what they want to hear, to get their money handed over quickly.

Personally I believe us the fans just want factual statements designed to give complete clarity, balanced scenarios and realistic possibilities.

I have had a belly ful of EGO driven, power and greed fuelled chairmen, CEOs etc....I can't bring myself to get behind Green my gut instinct tells me he is all wrong with the facts we have had at hand thus far.

[Carsons Dog]

I have had a belly ful of EGO driven, power and greed fuelled chairmen, CEOs etc....I can't bring myself to get behind Green my gut instinct tells me he is all wrong with the facts we have had at hand thus far.

You could always take up golf - obviously making sure you take care to carry out full research on everyone who is involved in financing or running your chosen club first

You wouldn't want to join a golf club before you did all that research would you?

Or maybe you could join a gym, but ensure you carry out full financial research in to everyone who may have invested in the setting up of the gym

You can't be too careful you know

[Edmiston Drive]

Mmmmmm......So let's blame others to divert from the man telling these lies or at best....fanciful statements, designed to tell the masses what they want to hear, to get their money handed over quickly.

Personally I believe us the fans just want factual statements designed to give complete clarity, balanced scenarios and realistic possibilities.

I have had a belly ful of EGO driven, power and greed fuelled chairmen, CEOs etc....I can't bring myself to get behind Green my gut instinct tells me he is all wrong with the facts we have had at hand thus far.

Green is not so much of ego.....more wanting money......................who are the others that are blamed|? Re being told yes, and if you had actually read what i said and not just taken from it what you wanted to...............I said fans are not top priority with what is going on.

Why do you purchase your season book?