Where would we have been without the wrecker?

[subcrawl]

As someone who grew up in the 90s we certainly had plenty to cheer about back then, and thought it would never end.

But as we are paying the price for SDM's shadiness and egotism, I wonder what would have happened had he never appeared.

I know the Souness era had already begun before he took full control, and the title had been won for the first time in nearly a decade.

Would this momentum have carried on? Or would we have maybe not had a monopoly of success but built a more realistic and sustainable model

without having to worry about the shite hitting the fan?

My dad told me that in the 70s we were considered a very well run operation, especially compared to the scum, and that revenues from stuff like the

pools helped us build what was then a world class all seater ground. Where would be now if we have stuck with this model?

[WVB]

I, for one, would have loved to find out. Murray soured everything by signing the selik supporter in 1989.

[test-icicles]

dont refer to the prick as SIR david murray

[bluesbro1976]

Wee mo played his game, is he any worse than cunts like naismith? No he isn't. He took his wage and to be honest I loved it when he scored against those scum paedo loving cunts! Who knows what would have happened. We were all lured into the dream. But hey how were we to know. The shareholders shoulda been asking more questions than they were. Why was there no montthly meeting to discuss the club, the business. Fucking sham!

[Thermopylae]

I'm not very sure what happened with Lawrence Marlbourgh because he was the one who really got things going bringing in David Holmes who appointed Souness but was there not rumours when murray appeared that he had to sell for business reasons?

Perhaps the reality of murray is that the longer one man is in sole charge the bigger chance that he will become a liability ... murray's first 10 years were easily his best so perhaps there is something in this

[JCDBigBear]

Wee mo played his game, is he any worse than cunts like naismith? No he isn't. He took his wage and to be honest I loved it when he scored against those scum paedo loving cunts! Who knows what would have happened. We were all lured into the dream. But hey how were we to know. The shareholders shoulda been asking more questions than they were. Why was there no montthly meeting to discuss the club, the business. Fucking sham!

Mo Jo played probably his best football at Rangers. Stunned when he came but he gave 100% for RFC when with us.

As for D Murray, he was pretty good for Gers until the Advocaat years when his ego really took off. You can't blame shareholders because Murray had the vast majority and ran RFC like a dictatorship. Ordinary shareholders (including myself) often asked pertinent questions of him at AGMs but his voting rights carried him through all the time. Without being argumentative, why did you not buy a share and ask questions of him? As for monthly meetings, who do you think should have held such meetings? I'm not getting at you, just putting you right about the ordinary shareholders. It is extremely difficult to have an impact at any shareholders' meeting when one person carries 85% on his own.

[AmarriedAfineYin]

Wee mo played his game, is he any worse than cunts like naismith? No he isn't. He took his wage and to be honest I loved it when he scored against those scum paedo loving cunts! Who knows what would have happened. We were all lured into the dream. But hey how were we to know. The shareholders shoulda been asking more questions than they were. Why was there no montthly meeting to discuss the club, the business. Fucking sham!

When did Naismith cross himself in front of rangers fans? Comparing them is a disgrace.

Naismiths been daft, and badly advised, but hes no on the same level as that bead rattler. Egotistical wee fckn attention seeker he wis. fck him then and fck him noo. And fck murray and souness for signing him. Sickens me to the core that rhat ever wore our jersey.

[GIJoe]

I, for one, would have loved to find out. Murray soured everything by signing the selik supporter in 1989.

Don't be stupid. This sort of idiocy belongs in the past. He did a great job for us.

[pcbear]

Wrecker 1 or wrecker 2?

If Whyte had not came along and Murray was still in charge the situation would/could not have been worse than it is now, thats a question in itself though.

[Non_Sucumbi]

Murray made some dreadful errors of financial mismanagement.

He made some dubious (being polite) decisions regarding EBTs. How much did the Murray Group take for managing the EBTs (3% - 5% I believe is the norm).

Me signed Mojo - great signing BTW.

What I will never forgive:

Selling to Shyte when he knew of the latter's reputation

Walking away in our of need

Sacrificing Rangers to pay off LLoyds so MIG could later get a 200M loan from Lloyds

So Mr. David Murray - fuk off and die you horrible man.

[Calgacus]

Maurice Johnston was an excellent player for us,people who hate because of his religion and/or his past employers are the true wreckers.

[ger50champ]

Im not sure it serves us well to be dissecting every thing that DM done in his early years .I hate the guy like a passion and have since around 2004 but we would be hypocrites to deny we would change his existence .Whats done is done and I hope DM and Whyte pay some sort of heavy price for the pain they have caused us .

[bluesbro1976]

Mo Jo played probably his best football at Rangers. Stunned when he came but he gave 100% for RFC when with us.

As for D Murray, he was pretty good for Gers until the Advocaat years when his ego really took off. You can't blame shareholders because Murray had the vast majority and ran RFC like a dictatorship. Ordinary shareholders (including myself) often asked pertinent questions of him at AGMs but his voting rights carried him through all the time. Without being argumentative, why did you not buy a share and ask questions of him? As for monthly meetings, who do you think should have held such meetings? I'm not getting at you, just putting you right about the ordinary shareholders. It is extremely difficult to have an impact at any shareholders' meeting when one person carries 85% on his own.

Fair points mate, season ticket holder, but well just never bought into shares, I shall be doing so on the next round of shares though. With regards to meeting, you have a management board, club secretary, accountants, alisytair johnstone, dave king, who have been quite vocasl in the way the club was ran, but as part of a management structure and board, they owed it to guys like you7, the shareholders to ensure the corporate compliance was being upheld, that financial scrutiny was obtained and that the major shareholder was scrutinised. What did they do mate? Nada, niente, nothing.

That's all I am saying, our band is run better than rangers fc, we have people who are accountable, and just cause he was major shareholder, it does not give him the write to carte blanche, he is still responsible as a director to comply with relevant regulations and reporting to fellow directors/shareholders..?

[WVB]

Don't be stupid. This sort of idiocy belongs in the past. He did a great job for us.

What is idiotic about not wanting selik supporters employed at Ibrox? Its nothing to do with religion, we already had wee Spenny before the selik fan arrived.

Whether or not he did a good job on the park, the idealogy of our club was compromised, and here we are today.

[Ricky_]

Murray wasn't the wrecker, he just steered the ship towards an inceberg and got a lifeboat out of there. The ship could have avoided the iceberg all together if sold to the right person, even Murray himself had he not done the bunk could have saved it, or at least scrapped by with alot of damage to repair. Instead we got a criminal who went full speed ahead straight into the fucking thing.

What Whyte did was inexcusable. Had Murray stayed in charge i think he may have had to sell off the majority of the first team to repay the bank, and right now we'd be waiting on the BTC result before considering administration as an option. At least if he done it himself, he wouldn't be the coward he is. Also, the BTC debt may or may not have been liable to RFC if it's a scheme of MIH. He also could have sue'd whatever firm reccomended EBT's to us for a portion of the sum.

[Dunny_01]

Murray gave me all my footballing heros, and probably some of the best moments of my life, but that all meant nuthin now that the position we are in. I still think Whyte is working for Murray, and if proven both will get whats coming to them.

[eosmhdo]

What is idiotic about not wanting selik supporters employed at Ibrox? Its nothing to do with religion, we already had wee Spenny before the selik fan arrived.

Whether or not he did a good job on the park, the idealogy of our club was compromised, and here we are today.

We were all a bit shocked when Mo came to say the least. But I went to games he played in and so did a lot of others so we can't pinpoint that as a catalyst for problems at the club now. If we went when he played then we kind of condoned it as we all cheered when he scored.

We can't condone something then condemn it when it suits us.

We are all looking for things that could have been changed but the bottom line is Murray chased a dream and fucked up big time.

That is the true cause of all this shit, not a wee tim who actually played pretty good for us incidentally.

[WVB]

We can't condone something then condemn it when it suits us.

I never condoned it. I bought a season ticket for a Highland League club instead.

I did go to a few games where he played, but it was several years after he'd left before I was a regular at Ibrox again.

[eosmhdo]

I never condoned it. I bought a season ticket for a Highland League club instead.

I did go to a few games where he played, but it was several years after he'd left before I was a regular at Ibrox again.

Going to one game was enough, and if it was several years after he left before you returned he was not the cause of you not going anyway.

To put any blame for this at his door is blaming the wrong guy. He is a wee tit though and I did not want him there either but I did continue going to games when some of my friends decided not to.

Wee fanny-yes

Any blame-no

[The Godfather]

No ones blaming Mo Johnston but rather David Murray for bringing him to the club. Players chase the £ no matter who the club is and will kiss any badge that offers the best deal.

Murray was the cancer that attached itself to our club and through poor decisions, self indulgence and a super ego this is where we find ourselves today. Yes people will say the fault lies only at Whyte’s door but that is a very short sighted view on things, was Murray not the one who sold us to the devil after continuous promises he would look after us? Did Murray not introduce an EBT scheme that led to a near decade of financial uncertainty with the tax authorities? Did Murray not bow down to the parasites in our country and let them snipe at our club while stripping us of our identity?

Ask yourself these questions and soon you will see what Murray was for Rangers…..

[eosmhdo]

No ones blaming Mo Johnston but rather David Murray for bringing him to the club. Players chase the £ no matter who the club is and will kiss any badge that offers the best deal.

Murray was the cancer that attached itself to our club and through poor decisions, self indulgence and a super ego this is where we find ourselves today. Yes people will say the fault lies only at Whyte’s door but that is a very short sighted view on things, was Murray not the one who sold us to the devil after continuous promises he would look after us? Did Murray not introduce an EBT scheme that led to a near decade of financial uncertainty with the tax authorities? Did Murray not bow down to the parasites in our country and let them snipe at our club while stripping us of our identity?

Ask yourself these questions and soon you will see what Murray was for Rangers…..

Agree with most of that but bringing him to the club just pissed us off, it never affected Murrays decision making or the way the club went under his charge.

[Edmiston Drive]

Murray made some dreadful errors of financial mismanagement.

He made some dubious (being polite) decisions regarding EBTs. How much did the Murray Group take for managing the EBTs (3% - 5% I believe is the norm).

Me signed Mojo - great signing BTW.

What I will never forgive:

Selling to Shyte when he knew of the latter's reputation

Walking away in our of need

Sacrificing Rangers to pay off LLoyds so MIG could later get a 200M loan from Lloyds

So Mr. David Murray - fuk off and die you horrible man.

There is a great story abot him , one of the games when we played spud-u-like at the glitterdome, they beat us and during the game he fouled mcstay and mcstay got up and started making the sign of smoking a cigar....remember mo used to do that when we scored against them.....anyway

Mo......said to mcstay...what the fucks that.

mcstay..........the cigars are on me

mo......cigars ya chunt.......you think a panetella (spelling) is a cigar.........when i do it I'm talking hand rolled cubans

mcstay....at least I can go out on a saturday night........

mo.......can you afford to go out with what you earn.................I have £1m sitting in my account and earning in a week that you earn in a month.....plus I have a penthouse flat in Edinburgh.

As told by Hateley and sure Hurlock and Spackman where also at the hotel after the game.went to meet one of the players after the game , but he went straight home as pig sick with the score.

[nelsonRFC82]

While I am certainly not defending Murray in any way, it is playing in to the hands of the taig-driven agenda to start talking about paying for the success of 9IAR. They have that rhat on BBC talking about "20 years of cheating the taxman" in relation to a tax investigation that covers 2001-2010 and has not even returned a verdict yet!

Fact is, without the TV boom, during the 90s we invested early in modernising our ground, had 35,000+ ST holders and consistent 45,000+ attendances which would have made our income as big as any in the UK for most of 9IAR era. I think it is readily available (but conveniently ignored) that we were profitable and financially healthy when Walter left in 1998.

After the arrival of Advocaat we went downhill, spending £50-60m in transfer fees in 2 & 1/2 years with relatively little success in Europe...sure we had a great team, were probably unlucky not to do more on a couple of occasions but the success was nothing like that required to justify the expenditure. After that, we lurched from one short-term fix to another, including the EBTs...which begun in Advocaat's last year as I think the alarm bells had started to ring for Murray...although not too much as he saw fit to single-handedly benefit from 25% of the total amount paid via the EBT!

Murray needed out and handed us to over to the first person he could really, and that cunt was simply a crook who finished the job. Without Whyte I believe we probably would have faced a sizeable cut in operations to pay off our debts and rebuild and only really faced insolvency on the back of a large BTC bill.