DarcheVinny Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 'Bomber' Brown Demands Charles Green To Reveal Who Owns Ibrox And Murray Park[imgleft]http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k494/DarcheVinny/rangersfansanswers_200_200.jpg[/imgleft]Last night at Ibrox, John 'Bomber' Brown demanded that Charles Green show him and every supporter, exactly who owns what, at Rangers.Approximately five thousand supporters blocked Edmiston Drive, as a clear demonstration to Charles Green and his consortium, that the whole support is very concerned for the immediate future and very existence, of Rangers Football Club - our football club.Mr. Green himself was nowhere to be seen, having left Ibrox at 2:30PM that afternoon."Show us the title deeds" was the blunt message from 'Bomber'. It is a fair enough request. We do not know who owns our football club, and we should. We have been through enough pain and misery, and the owner of our football club, should make him/themselves known to us all.Other than that though, there was a lot of pandering to the concerns of all those supporters who were present, without telling us very much at all. I definitely left Ibrox with more questions, than I had before 'Bomber' arrived.Who is backing you, John? I can't tell you that, as the media will dig dirt and hound them out.I don't like the sound of that.How can we, the supporters, save our club, John? Don't give them (Green and co.) a penny.Starving our club of vital money, is the answer? I don't like the sound of that either.Why shouldn't we trust Charles Green, John? Because I know a big secret about him.According to 'bomber', the big 'secret' - that he would not tell us - would see Charles Green 'hunted for the rest of his days'. Well what is it? Why will you not tell us what it is? Charles Green has a secret, which you are going to keep... a secret?There was also the suggestion that Craig Whyte and Ticketus are involved with Green and friends, yet there was no reason as to why 'Bomber' suspects that?As I said, I have more questions than answers, John.The game you are wanting to us all to play, is one that is so, so dangerous. Starving the club of money is a huge gamble, a huge gamble which I don't feel comfortable to take, unless you want to reveal this secret?The famous names in Goram, Laudrup, Amoruso, etc, combined with the mouth watering prospect of fan ownership, are always going to guarantee the overwhelming backing of the supporters, but I am not so easy as I was twelve months ago.With regards to Charles Green and - I write this as if he were reading - you sir, have been challenged. Can you show us, the supporters, who are the life and soul of Rangers Football Club, who owns our football club? Until you do, how can we put any faith in you whatsoever?You are currently working to ensure Rangers are playing football next season and you don't need any further distraction, with all the hurdles that have to be overcome. Meet John Brown's demand and show us all and the world, who owns our football club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianb1547 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 why are those demanding transparency not very..............transparent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain1712 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Spot on darchvinny. I for one want to be convinced this bid is better for the club before I throw my full backing behind it. It seems all you need to do is recruit a few ex-players or even a legendary ex-manager to front your bid and all of a sudden everybody else Is the bad guys.Walter sussed out pretty quickly he was just being used I hope it's not the same again with bomber and co. As I've said before Pay the man the money or fuck off !!stop harming our club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCR1 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I just can't understand the reasoning behind these protests, if we don't know what green has done how the fuck can we protest against it?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartansmokie Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 The OP is spot on here.It's all very well all these consortiums coming out and having a go at Greene but should these consortiums not also be showing transparency, i.e who is backing them and where the money is coming from.So far Greene is the only person to actually put up the money when it was needed.What we need now is a lot more transparancy from both Greene and anyone else who is thinking of bidding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chesh Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 My thoughts exactly I am sick of words sick of promises and sick of false dawns.... I want proof and evidence.... It's time for all involved to put up or shut up and get out the way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boss Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Excellent article. Transparency indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Rd Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Spot on D' The Secret must be told If its as bad as I believe CG would do what he has probably threatened JB.They aint gonna make a profit going to Division 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluepeter Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Nail on head DV, excellent article Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmiston Drive Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Spot on D' The Secret must be told If its as bad as I believe CG would do what he has probably threatened JB.They aint gonna make a profit going to Division 3Not hunting you btw.......but what actual dealings have you had with Charles Green to make this call on him.I would have to think that John Brown could be a stranger to the truth here....why?Well he is fighting to save the club.........yet his information that he states would ruin Charles Green for the rest of his days.................so is John as mentioned above.......or is he concerned for Charles Green.....more than the club?I think that is a fair point to make............now I have given my thoughts on it..hope you can let my know as to my question to you re Charles Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmiston Drive Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Good summary in the OP asks Charles Green a simple yet demanding answer..........would sweep this rebellion away.........and at the same time highlights the many many shortcomings of the people behind John Brown.As for all the ex players throwing their tuppence worth in...........ask yourself this question............what do you think they would have done under this situation re signing on for a newco and wondering as to the league or would the thought of that fairly substantial increase in salary..............oops! sorry what i meant to say was not having to play in lower leagues.Just think the hurt caused by Rangers minded players and their rush for the door...........and if, as we have read.........well done Juan Ortiz a stranger to the club and shipped out on loan.........yet you offer to move over to the newco and then ask for transfer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bombaybadboy08 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Great article Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprotson11 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Answers are needed from brown just as much as from green if not more so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Rd Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Not hunting you btw.......but what actual dealings have you had with Charles Green to make this call on him.I would have to think that John Brown could be a stranger to the truth here....why?Well he is fighting to save the club.........yet his information that he states would ruin Charles Green for the rest of his days.................so is John as mentioned above.......or is he concerned for Charles Green.....more than the club?I think that is a fair point to make............now I have given my thoughts on it..hope you can let my know as to my question to you re Charles Green Ok Stalker Ive said from day 1 i dont trust Green same as i didnt trust Whyte. My main concern now about Green/Zeus is they stated they were only here to make a profit maybe over 3 years.How can they make a profit if we are in Division 3 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carsons Dog Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Ok Stalker Ive said from day 1 i dont trust Green same as i didnt trust Whyte. My main concern now about Green/Zeus is they stated they were only here to make a profit maybe over 3 years.How can they make a profit if we are in Division 3 ?They could sell when we get promoted to the SPL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmiston Drive Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Ok Stalker Ive said from day 1 i dont trust Green same as i didnt trust Whyte. My main concern now about Green/Zeus is they stated they were only here to make a profit maybe over 3 years.How can they make a profit if we are in Division 3 ?Maybe over 3 years...............never read or heard that in any interview.........also I have heard them say med/long term being used.Profit can be made out of most well run businesses...1.........We will have a huge reduction in salaries2........If it is as widespread as many have said on here that they will renew their season books.............so crowds will be at home games.3 Will lose the value on sponsorship , but others will sponsor the club.albeit on a lesser value....but remember number 1 above.Curiosity value you may have some sort of tv deal..that one I am not 100% sure on, but could happen.NBYou haven't answered my question as to how you know Charles Green would have threatened Brown .......when you do not know the man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmiston Drive Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 They could sell when we get promoted to the SPLOoops! missed that one when making my post.........spot on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Rd Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Maybe over 3 years...............never read or heard that in any interview.........also I have heard them say med/long term being used.Profit can be made out of most well run businesses...1.........We will have a huge reduction in salaries2........If it is as widespread as many have said on here that they will renew their season books.............so crowds will be at home games.3 Will lose the value on sponsorship , but others will sponsor the club.albeit on a lesser value....but remember number 1 above.Curiosity value you may have some sort of tv deal..that one I am not 100% sure on, but could happen.NBYou haven't answered my question as to how you know Charles Green would have threatened Brown .......when you do not know the man! I aint trolling for the evidence Ed, i do work you know, ive not got the luxury of retirement yet, like yourself lol.It was on the Sheffield Utd website that he can be a bully, " offering to sort it out outside" I will turn Bramwell lane into a potato picking etc....I will demolish Ibrox etcc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Rd Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 They could sell when we get promoted to the SPL Do, you honestly belive they will wait 3 years for a profit??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 The simple facts are this.If someone is genuine about buying the club they must do the following:1. Reveal themselves.2. Reveal their backers.3. Reveal their funding.4. Reveal their plans (not every fine detail but enough to show crediblity).5. Be honest.6. Be realistic.7. Use the correct banking/advising channels.8. Work with the supporters representatives.Do that and people will naturally gravitate to such a bid if Green continues to disappoint. Anything else is a fudge. So, IMO, far Brown is a fudge.If he wants us to buy into his bid, then his performance and openness must improve ten fold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenose48 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 This i think answers the question.IN response to a story that appeared this afternoon on the STV website, the Club has released the following statement.A spokesman for The Rangers Football Club said: "Yet again, ignorant and ill-informed journalism has caused alarm to Rangers supporters. "For the avoidance of doubt, Ibrox and Murray Park are the property of The Rangers Football Club, which at present is registered as Sevco Scotland Ltd until a name change is given formal approval.;"] "Sevco Scotland was formed to ensure that if the formation of a new company was required in the event of a CVA being rejected, then the Club's corporate entity would be a Scottish registered company as it has always been. Sevco Scotland Limited title deeds for disposition of Ibrox stadium Sevco Scotland Limited title deeds for disposition of Murray Park training ground Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmiston Drive Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I aint trolling for the evidence Ed, i do work you know, ive not got the luxury of retirement yet, like yourself lol.It was on the Sheffield Utd website that he can be a bully, " offering to sort it out outside" I will turn Bramwell lane into a potato picking etc....I will demolish Ibrox etccRight on the official website or the equivalent to RM........and why did these people not report him to the police for being threatened with physical threats.I happen to know the architects involved with various aspects of the revamp of Sheffield Utd and have corporate facilities there............and they say Green was exactly what the club needed at that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelsonRFC82 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Ok Stalker Ive said from day 1 i dont trust Green same as i didnt trust Whyte. My main concern now about Green/Zeus is they stated they were only here to make a profit maybe over 3 years.How can they make a profit if we are in Division 3 ?To be honest, I would be more concerned if our investors, being venture capitalists, said they were not here to make a profit! I would then be seriously questioning what they wanted from the club and if they were being truthful.In no way do I, or can I, have complete faith in Green/Zeus. But, on the face of it, they have said they are here to restore the club on to a sound footing and then to sell on at a profit...which seems entirely fair! Whether they achieve this and have the required backing to do so, I don't know...but as a strategy it seems sensible enough to me.We may not make profit in div 3...then again our cost base would dramatically fall and even with 10,000 fans would have a budget that dwarfed the entire SFL let alone div 3 so you could structure costs accordingly to fund the club to be successful and still make profit. Regardless...if we go to div 3, they may then need to adapt a slightly longer-term view of when is best to sell up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Smith Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I just wonder if there is some reason that we cannot be told this secret about green. Is there an injunction? (not that those count north of the border) or some other legal block that's preventing him from revealing the truth? Or is this just a heap of shite about nothing, smearing greens name and (although it may be done with good intentions) dragging this club further back so it takes a couple more years to get back to where we belong?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearette Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Another great article. It pretty much sums up exactly how many of us feel. We need answers from both parties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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