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Here we go again!!!

You really just do not get this, do you!

Your statement is wrong and Rangers FC 1872 has not changed, it is now playing in the SFL div 3 and it is not an “old club” or “new club”. This is exactly what I am complaining about!!!

I have reproduced a number of sources to assist you in correcting your response.

Sources:

RANGERS FC 1872.

Rangers FC by "THE RT HON LORD NIMMO SMITH"

It will be recalled that in Article 2 "Club" is defined in terms of "the undertaking of an association football club", and in Rule I1 it is defined in terms of an association football club which is, for the time being, eligible to participate in the League, and includes the owner and operator of such Club. Taking these definitions together, the SPL and its members have provided, by contract, that a Club is an undertaking which is capable of being owned and operated. While it no doubt depends on individual circumstances what exactly is comprised in the undertaking of any particular Club, it would at the least comprise its name, the contracts with its players, its manager and other staff, and its ground, even though these may change from time to time. In common speech a Club is treated as a recognisable entity which is capable of being owned and operated, and which continues in existence despite its transfer to another owner and operator. In legal terms, it appears to us to be no different from any other undertaking which is capable of being carried on, bought and sold. This is not to say that a Club has legal personality, separate from and additional to the legal personality of its owner and operator. We are satisfied that it does not, and Mr McKenzie did not seek to argue otherwise.

Source:

THE SCOTTISH PREMIER LEAGUE LIMITED

REASONS for Decision dated 12 September 2012

By THE RT HON LORD NIMMO SMITH,

NICHOLAS STEWART QC

And CHARLES FLINT QC

The Commission appointed by Resolution of the Board of Directors of the Scottish Premier League Limited dated 1 August 2012 in relation to RFC 2012 Plc and Rangers FC.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/sfl-division-three/newco-rangers-must-answer-oldco-charges-insists-commission-chief-1-2542646?

Club Honours

League Champions: Division I - 1890/91 (shared), 1898/99,1899/1900, 1900/01, 1901/02, 1910/11, 1911/12, 1912/13, 1917/18, 1919/20, 1920/21, 1922/23, 1923/24, 1924/25, 1926/27, 1927/28, 1928/29, 1929/30, 1930/31, 1932/33, 1933/34, 1934/35, 1936/37, 1938/39, 1946/47, 1948/49, 1949/50, 1952/53, 1955/56, 1956/57, 1958/59, 1960/61, 1962/63, 1963/64, 1974/75
Premier Division - 1975/76, 1977/78, 1986/87, 1988/89, 1989/90, 1990/91, 1991/92, 1992/93, 1993/94, 1994/95, 1995/96,1996/97
SPL - 1998/99, 1999/2000, 2002/03, 2004/05, 2008/09, 2009/10, 2010/11

League Cup:1946/47, 1948/49, 1960/61, 1961/62, 1963/64, 1964/65, 1970/71, 1975/76, 1977/78, 1978/79, 1981/82, 1983/84, 1984/85, 1986/87, 1987/88, 1988/89, 1990/91, 1992/93, 1993/94, 1996/97, 1998/99, 2001/02, 2002/03, 2004/05, 2007/08, 2009/10, 2010/11

Scottish Cup:1894, 1897, 1898, 1903, 1928, 1930, 1932, 1934, 1935, 1936, 1948, 1949, 1950, 1953, 1960, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1966, 1973, 1976, 1978, 1979, 1981, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2008, 2009

European Cup Winners' Cup:1971/72
Runners-up: 1960/61, 1966/67

UEFA Cup: Runners-up 2007/08

Drybrough Cup:1979/80

http://www.scottishfootballleague.com/club/rangers/

Rangers will this season be playing in the unfamiliar surroundings of Division Three of the SFL. It's a far cry from the glory days when Rangers won a host of trophies, including a world record 54 league titles and appeared in four European finals, winning the Cup Winners' Cup in 1972.

http://www.<No links to this website>/all-about/rangers%20fc-1

Rangers Football Club

Founded: 1873

Ground: Ibrox Stadium

Capacity: 51,082

Nicknames: The Gers, Light Blues, Teddy Bears

Chairman:

Malcolm Murray

Chief Executive: Charles Green

Manager: Ally McCoist

Colours: Royal blue with red and white trim, white shorts with red and blue trim, black socks with red tops

Domestic Honours:

League champions: (54 titles) 1891, 1899, 1900, 1901, 1902, 1911, 1912, 1913, 1918, 1920, 1921, 1923, 1924, 1925, 1927, 1928, 1929, 1930, 1931, 1933, 1934, 1935, 1937, 1939, 1947, 1949, 1950, 1953, 1956, 1957, 1959, 1961, 1963, 1964, 1975, 1976, 1978, 1987, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1999, 2000, 2003, 2005, 2009, 2010, 2011

Scottish Cup Winners: (33) 1894, 1897, 1898, 1903, 1928, 1930, 1932, 1934, 1935, 1936, 1948, 1949, 1950, 1953, 1960, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1966, 1973, 1976, 1978, 1979, 1981, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2008, 2009

Scottish League Cup: (27) 1947, 1949, 1961, 1962, 1964, 1965, 1971, 1976, 1978, 1979, 1982, 1984, 1985, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1993, 1994, 1997, 1999, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2008, 2010-2011

International Honours:

Cup Winners’ Cup: (1) 1972

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/rangers/#ixzz27LKQ74b1

The Scotsman 23.9.2012.

Nimmo Smith has explained why, contrary to the claims of Rangers chief executive Charles Green, he believes “oldco” Rangers and the current Rangers FC represent one entity and thus still fall within the SPL’s jurisdiction. Green and Rangers believe that, as their “newco” is not and never has been a member of the SPL, the appointed commission has no jurisdiction over it. But Nimmo Smith has countered that view.

“It is the club, not the owner, who plays in the league,” he said. “The rules clearly contemplate sanctions upon a club, in distinction to upon the owner or operator. That power must continue to apply, even if the owner at the time of [any] breach of rules has ceased to be a member of the SPL and its undertaking has passed to another owner or operator.”

As for any lapse in time since any alleged breaches by Rangers occurred, Nimmo Smith added: “To take a hypothetical example of a club which has been engaged in match-fixing but is then relegated and consequently ceases to be a member of the SPL – there is every reason why it should still be liable to disciplinary action, whether or not the breach comes to light before or after the club has relinquished its SPL membership.”

But Nimmo Smith went on to add: “We stress that the commission has not yet come to the stage of deciding whether there have been any breaches of rules at all by either ‘oldco’ or Rangers FC.”

Source:

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/sfl-division-three/newco-rangers-must-answer-oldco-charges-insists-commission-chief-1-2542646?

Daily Record 23.9.2012

The good news is their entitlement to the 140-year history they’ve so desperately been trying to cling on to has officially been recognised by Lord Nimmo Smith.

The bad news is that means they have to pick up the tab for the sins of their fathers.

The High Court judge has been appointed to chair an independent committee investigating Rangers’ use of EBTs over an 11-year spell and whether they had breached SPL contract rules.

And he has issued a document detailing the reasons why the “Newco” owning Rangers – despite never having been a member of the SPL – can still be held liable when they convene in November.

It’s a heavyweight tome. Twenty-one pages, 8500 words and enough legal jargon to send an entire courtroom into a coma.

Nimmo Smith makes it crystal clear the SPL have no legal sway over Sevco Scotland but goes on to determine that the club called Rangers are still playing in Division Three l

Source:

http://www.<No links to this website>/incoming/inquiry-into-rangers-alleged-use-of-ebts-1339100

After my complaint was upheld by ITV, STV reported today this:

Oldco Rangers owe the tax authorities an estimated final total bill of £94.4m, according to administrators.

The tax liability run up by the company, which should be liquidated later this month, was listed in a final report to creditors by Duff and Phelps.

According to the estimate, which the insolvency practitioners said it had listed for "voting purposes" for HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) in the company voluntary liquidation this month, the 'big' tax case against the oldco will result in a £73m liability.

This, combined with the £3m outstanding for the 'wee' tax case and £18m of unpaid PAYE and national insurance built up during Craig Whyte’s reign at Ibrox, brings the total tax liability to around £94.4m.

The result of the big tax case, which relates to Rangers’ use of offshore employee benefit trusts (EBTs) to pay players and directors from 2001-2010 under Sir David Murray’s stewardship, has still not been decided by the first tier tax tribunal, although it is expected later this month.

Duff and Phelps, which was appointed as administrators of what was then The Rangers Football Club plc on February 14, believe it will be paid a total of around £3m for its time overseeing the insolvency.

Included in this bill is £104,000 towards funding a company voluntary arrangement (CVA) pence in the pound offer to creditors, which was destined to fail because of HMRC’s voting rights and the authority's public policy of refusing such deals when offered by those who persistently fail to pay tax.

Creditors are asked to vote on the proposals to conclude the administration by October 12. If the resolutions are approved, including authorizing a final payment of around £400,000 to Duff and Phelps after it received £2.7m in August, the firm will lodge a court order to appoint neutral insolvency practitioners BDO to oversee the liquidation of the company.

BDO has been lined up to take over the liquidation at the insistence of biggest creditor HMRC after Duff and Phelps had originally stated its intent to oversee the winding up of what was renamed RFC 2012 plc in recent months following the asset sale to Sevco consortium-owned newco in June.

http://news.stv.tv/scotland/192721-rangers-administrators-estimate-final-tax-bill-owed-to-hmrc-to-be-944m/?

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I know but, this is what we have to do now, for to long the tims have been getting it all their own way, we need to shout back as this is the only way to silence them!!! (tu)

Complaints are meaningless. You'll get nowhere complaining. And you'll silence no one either. People need to realise this now.

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Complaints are meaningless. You'll get nowhere complaining. And you'll silence no one either. People need to realise this now.

Right!!!!

After my complaint was upheld by ITV, STV reported today this:

Oldco Rangers owe the tax authorities an estimated final total bill of £94.4m, according to administrators.

The tax liability run up by the company, which should be liquidated later this month, was listed in a final report to creditors by Duff and Phelps.

According to the estimate, which the insolvency practitioners said it had listed for "voting purposes" for HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) in the company voluntary liquidation this month, the 'big' tax case against the oldco will result in a £73m liability.

This, combined with the £3m outstanding for the 'wee' tax case and £18m of unpaid PAYE and national insurance built up during Craig Whyte’s reign at Ibrox, brings the total tax liability to around £94.4m.

The result of the big tax case, which relates to Rangers’ use of offshore employee benefit trusts (EBTs) to pay players and directors from 2001-2010 under Sir David Murray’s stewardship, has still not been decided by the first tier tax tribunal, although it is expected later this month.

Duff and Phelps, which was appointed as administrators of what was then The Rangers Football Club plc on February 14, believe it will be paid a total of around £3m for its time overseeing the insolvency.

Included in this bill is £104,000 towards funding a company voluntary arrangement (CVA) pence in the pound offer to creditors, which was destined to fail because of HMRC’s voting rights and the authority's public policy of refusing such deals when offered by those who persistently fail to pay tax.

Creditors are asked to vote on the proposals to conclude the administration by October 12. If the resolutions are approved, including authorizing a final payment of around £400,000 to Duff and Phelps after it received £2.7m in August, the firm will lodge a court order to appoint neutral insolvency practitioners BDO to oversee the liquidation of the company.

BDO has been lined up to take over the liquidation at the insistence of biggest creditor HMRC after Duff and Phelps had originally stated its intent to oversee the winding up of what was renamed RFC 2012 plc in recent months following the asset sale to Sevco consortium-owned newco in June.

http://news.stv.tv/s...rc-to-be-944m/?

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