Fiogh 178 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 http://www.football3...4777/F365-FocusIf I can be forgiven for being relatively sweeping about an entire decade, the icon of English football in the 1990s was the goalscoring poacher. Ushered into the decade by the greatest exponents of the 1980s, Gary Lineker and Ian Rush, poachers exploded onto the scene to coincide with the start of the Premier League.Alan Shearer, Andy Cole and Robbie Fowler were the prime examples, with Raul and Pippo Inzaghi their European counterparts, although there were numerous, less glamourous examples. Without express pace (although few could be considered slow), these were strikers that matched the cliché of the 'footballing brain', always to be found in the right place at the right time. Whilst the stereotype of simply scoring tap-ins is wholly inaccurate, these players were seen as the perfect players, often rarely involved in the build-up to goals but invariably the finisher, the perfect economy of effort.It seems strange, therefore, that by the end of the next decade, such a role had become almost extinct. Ruud Van Nistelrooy continued to fly the flag for Manchester United until 2006, but although his goalscoring record was impressive, United actually suffered for his art. In the three years prior to the Dutchman joining the club, they won three titles. In the three years after his departure to Real Madrid, they won three titles. In Van Nistelrooy's five-year spell at Old Trafford, the Premier League was lifted only once by United.So why has such an institution diminished so greatly, becoming a position so wilfully ignored by current managers?The first relatively simple reason is that defending has got better at every level. Poachers were particularly adept at taking advantage of mistakes in defence, their accomplished finishing punishing the individual error. At the highest level, these were not necessarily defensive howlers but perhaps merely slack marking from a set-piece or failing to keep a level defensive line.Poachers therefore tended to gain success towards the end of games when defenders were fatigued, often allowing their concentration to falter. Through the use of sport science to increase fitness levels and technology within tactical training, defensive performance has been improved considerably. Put simply, forwards can no longer rely on being gifted chances, they must be created. Where poachers do remain, with Javier Hernandez as a possible exception to the rule, they are moulded to perform as 'supersubs', often exploting periods when fatigue is created against an opposition often inferior to a dominant Manchester United.In addition, English teams have adapted their styles of play, and the alterations have reduced the opportunity for poachers to flourish. Last season, Stoke were the only Premier League team to take more than 10% of their shots from inside the six-yard box (and even that figure is skewed by Stoke scoring over half of their goals from set-pieces, lending itself to close-range finishes). Just five years ago, seven Premier League teams did so. Furthermore, last season, 17 of the 20 Premier League teams took more than 40% of their shots from outside the box. Five years ago, only 12 did the same.Without blinding through statistics, it is evident that Premier League teams, largely through the introduction of foreign players and coaches, have adopted alternate mentalities. It seems that goalscorers have perhaps become less important to success, and having the best creative players instead becomes key, as the most successful teams look to share goals around. It is interesting that of the 20 Premier League Golden Boot winners, on only five occasions has the top scorer played for the champions. The Premier League, one could argue, is more about the team than the individual, and there is no doubting the individual aspect of the poacher.The final nail in the coffin has been the demand for multi-dimensional footballers, as I discussed in the context of John Obi Mikel this weekend. It is a very English trait for a child aged eight years old to declare that he is a central defender, winger or striker, and breeds a degree of singularity in the skillset of the individual. At Ajax's famed academy, youngsters are forced to play in every position until the age of 13, a practice designed to develop players that are competent in a number of different environments. This English mentality alarmed Jose Mourinho upon his arrival at Chelsea:"I can't believe that in England they don't teach young players to be multi-functional. To them a striker is a striker and that's it. For me, a striker is not just a striker. He's somebody who has to move, has to cross, and who has to do this in different formations."And herein lies the crux of the issue. Without intending to be derogatory, a poacher is a one-dimensional player, but with the introduction of more technical coaching systems, managers require more from their forwards.Forwards can now largely be categorised in two ways. The first is the 'false nine', who has the freedom to roam, either dropping deep to collect the ball (Wayne Rooney or Francesco Totti) or out wide to attack defenders with pace (Lionel Messi or Thierry Henry). The second is the proverbial 'big man', who is expected to hold up the ball and bring midfielders into play (Didier Drogba or Hulk). Strikers such as Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Dimitar Berbatov are rare examples of those that are effective at doing both.A player such as Jermain Defoe that initially gained notoriety as a poaching finisher has been forced to add assets to his game or find himself benched in favour of other options. Defoe has worked on his (much-improved) long-range shooting, and the Premier League has credited the striker with four assists. When Defoe has failed to demonstrate his additional worth, his starting place has been threatened, and started just eleven league games last season. He was benched 21 times.It becomes clear that within thedemand for multi-faceted strikers, little room is left for poachers, a situation summed up perfectly at Aston Villa. Darren Bent is perhaps the best example of the 'old school' in the Premier League, but this season has been shunned at Villa Park. Whilst scoring 101 goals in eight seasons in mightily impressive, Bent's return of 18 assists in the same period will be deemed unacceptable by many managers, and he is not a player that helps out in defence too readily. Instead, Paul Lambert has preferred Christian Benteke, whom he considers to be a more 'complete' player. Benteke may have just three league goals this season, but has played more key passes and has more assists than any other Villa player. Such assets are cherished.It seems inherently harsh (almost backward, even), to criticise a player for scoring goals, but the enhancements in tactical forethought and the use of technology in examining player performance has demanded more utility from our strikers, and 'one-dimensional' is now intended as a critical description. With such a state of mind, goalscoring poachers will continue to become a dying breed. The palpable successes of the modern brand of forward may well lead to extinction. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
castlereaghger 44 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Austin at Burnley poacher Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StewGer 606 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 I was saying this about Kris Boyd when he was with us, 10 or 15 years earlier he would have been priceless and the team would have been built around him. Football changed, all of a sudden scoring 30 goals a season isn't enough, which to me still makes no bloody sense. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
derek1872 548 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Hardly any big clubs even have a recognized 'striker' these days. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKingObv 10,877 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Didn't read the full article, but I think a lot of it is purely down to teams playing with only one centre forward, meaning the person has to be able to hold the ball up and bring others into play; not just hover around the 6 yard box. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBluenose1972 1,405 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Spain managed to win the Euro's without a striker....so what chance has the poacher got. However in lower leagues like the Scottish and lower English there is no need to not have poachers in the game. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alstone 374 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Rvp Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 25,673 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 hernandez is a poacher to me Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseyjones 3,009 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 There is no reason why a great poacher cannot be successful if the team is geared to use a system that plays to his strengths.I agree about Hernandez. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jela 21,763 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 hernandez is a poacher to meHe isn't really though. Poachers tend to just hang around the 18 yard box without ever really getting involved in the play as much as they should be, like Van Nistelrooy and Mario Gomez, Hernandez is involved in a fair bit of it and does a good job. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 25,673 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 He isn't really though. Poachers tend to just hang around the 18 yard box without ever really getting involved in the play as much as they should be, like Van Nistelrooy and Mario Gomez, Hernandez is involved in a fair bit of it and does a good job.i dont see him involved much outside of the box tbh, he may make a pass etc but you'll nevr see him drop deep and try play rooney or RVP etc through or drift wide and whip in a dangerous cross for someone elseIMO he is a poacher and i think man united dont look as dangerous without him in the team, Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jela 21,763 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 i dont see him involved much outside of the box tbh, he may make a pass etc but you'll nevr see him drop deep and try play rooney or RVP etc through or drift wide and whip in a dangerous cross for someone elseIMO he is a poacher and i think man united dont look as dangerous without him in the team,Completely agree with that last part. I actually think he's a cracking player. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradfield 35 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 It's a shame to my mind. I grew up idolising Super Ally, and until I realised my talents lay in less glamorous positions, I aspired to be a striker.I find it immensely frustrating watching modern football when a tantalising pass is squared across the box and there's simply no-one there to tap it in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amac9 2,060 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Was Ruud Van Nistelrooy really an out and out poacher?Yes he scored a lot of goals inside the 6 yard box but he was also a fantastic player and much more than just a poacher IMO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopter 310 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Klose is the closest to the old fashioned goal hanger. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dummiesoot 16,288 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Would be interesting to see percentage of goals from long shots. Todays football plays like a beachball moving about all over the place. It is very difficult for keepers nowadays. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papaguy51 941 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Was Ruud Van Nistelrooy really an out and out poacher?Yes he scored a lot of goals inside the 6 yard box but he was also a fantastic player and much more than just a poacher IMO.Agreed, a much better player than Hernandez outside the box too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKingObv 10,877 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Agreed, a much better player than Hernandez outside the box too.Wouldn't be hard. He's shocking at times Hernandez. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 25,673 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Completely agree with that last part. I actually think he's a cracking player.his hat-trick against villa was brilliant, his movement is brilliant to watch, he always loses his marker in the box Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
justiston 91 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Was Ruud Van Nistelrooy really an out and out poacher?Yes he scored a lot of goals inside the 6 yard box but he was also a fantastic player and much more than just a poacher IMO.There's some crazy stat about how few (if only a couple) of goals that RvN scored outside the box for Man United. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzalivesforever 2,039 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Gary Hooper is probably the best poacher in British football right now! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseyjones 3,009 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Gary Hooper is probably the best poacher in British football right now!Oh oh! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather 75,984 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Gary Hooper is probably the best poacher in British football right now!He on master chef this week? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jela 21,763 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Gary Hooper is probably the best poacher in British football right now! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 25,673 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Gary Hooper is probably the best poacher in British football right now!here mate, you'll need thiswhile i dont agree he's the best, hooper is a cracking penalty box striker Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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