Redwhiteandblue 3,330 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 If it was up to me, this is how it would go -First (top) division - 18 teams play each other twice, 1 home game, 1 away. 34 game league, no split. top after 34 games is champion.2 teams guaranteed to be relegated with a 3rd entering a play-off with teams from the second divisionWinter break - shut down for the full month of January. Any games missed in December or February would be easy to fit in with there only being 34 games a season.Second division - 12 team league. 38 game league, with 1st place declared champion and winning promotion to first division. Second place goes up automatically along with the champions.Teams in 3rd 4th and 5th (and team finishing16th in division 1) go into play off with home and away fixtures and normal aggregate/ extra time rules apply. Semi final -Team finishing 16th in division 1 goes away to team finishing 5th in second division, then second game at home of First division team. 3rd goes away to fourth, then the return leg is at home for the team who finished 3rd.Final - played at Hampden in one off fixture. Extra time and penalties if no winner after 90 mins.2 teams relegated, 12th place automatically, 11th goes into play off with teams from 3rd division.Third division - 12 team league. 38 game league Top after 38 games is champion and wins promotion to Division 2. Second placed goes into a one off final to be played at Hampden.Two teams relegated, 12th place automatically. 11th place goes into one off play off final to be played at hampden against the Champion of a play off winners from regional non-league teams. Eg. Highland league winners play East of Scotland league winners in final play off to play team who finishes 11th in 3rd division.This next bit is only a suggestion.Junior teams (and other leagues) invited to play in the play off between Highland/EOS league. Entering at semi final stage if invite accepted by at least 2 teams. Must be willing to give up Junior status to be accepted.New set up for the league cupKnock out round for teams in the third division, home and away. Winner gets to enter group stages.Group stages - 6 groups of 5. Draw done a seeding basis from last seasons league position.Teams play each other once with 1st and 2nd automatically qualifying for next round (knock out) of 16. teams finishing 3rd in each group to play in a mini league of 7 a side games with 10 minute halves played over 1 day at a neutral venue.Top 4 teams join the 12 already in the last 16 knock out. Sounds mad, I know, but Scottish football need changing, not just re-arranged. I personally would take interest in the 7 a side games.I have just thought this up as I type along. Surely this is no worse than what is being proposed by the SPL?So fire away folks. Tear it appart, tell me how amazing it is . Add to, take away. It's up to you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwhiteandblue 3,330 Posted January 9, 2013 Author Share Posted January 9, 2013 I haven't even read this over by the way, so sorry if it's a load of shite. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblueal 2,117 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 You were doing fine until the disclaimer and te seven a side! Quickly edit that shitty part out maybe nobody else noticed. other than that a good set up and far more sensible than the guff we're getting instead. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faircity 186 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 ...That setup is far to sensible and straight forward for the whanks running our game just now...i mean your not leaving enough room for skullduggery and thieving expected by those in the blazers... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mps02 14 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 A damn sight more intelligent than the abortion of the 12-12-18 (or is it 8-8-8-18?). A good idea but the fannys at the top won't allow only two games against each other. Despite this being what, us, the fans (you know the ones no one listens to) want. I am sick of seeing the same teams again and again. Boring as feck.Send this plan to Regan and Doncaster (hate using their correct names) and see what you get back. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwhiteandblue 3,330 Posted January 9, 2013 Author Share Posted January 9, 2013 You were doing fine until the disclaimer and te seven a side! Quickly edit that shitty part out maybe nobody else noticed. other than that a good set up and far more sensible than the guff we're getting instead. I had to think of a way to get 4 team through from 6, couldn't do a knock out coz that would only give you 3 teams. also couldn't do a full size league with 6 teams all playing each other once because it would just take far too long, so I thought I would just go a bit mental with it. No one really cares about the league cup and I think the 7 a side ( which would probably all be second division teams) would be a good way to get a lot of fans from different teams all into the one stadium and it would also interest the neutrals, well, I know I would like to watch it. and I bet BBC ALBA would love to pick that up as well. I'm standing by it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faircity 186 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 A damn sight more intelligent than the abortion of the 12-12-18 (or is it 8-8-8-18?). A good idea but the fannys at the top won't allow only two games against each other. Despite this being what, us, the fans (you know the ones no one listens to) want. I am sick of seeing the same teams again and again. Boring as feck.Send this plan to Regan and Doncaster (hate using their correct names) and see what you get back...Its Rhegan and Dongcaster....pair o whanks... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueRD 138 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Far too straight-forward and sensible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drumloyal 15,559 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 How do you plan to get 38 games out of a 12 team league format for the 2nd and 3rd divisions? Hope you're not thinking about the ridiculous split rearing it's ugly head again. Still better than the mental SPL proposals though mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drumloyal 15,559 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Double post. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFarmer 260 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 18 teams isn't doable in ScotlandOnly 8 countries in Europe have more than 16 teams in the top flight (out of more than 50)Of those the Netherlands is the least populated, and it is three times more populated than ScotlandIt just wouldn't work financially or competitivelySimilarly sized European countries have leagues of 10 (play each other 4 times), 12 (play each other 3 times) or 16 (play each other twice)It needs to be 10 or 16 to avoid any form of split or unfairness in home/away fixturesI'm personally coming round to the idea of 10-16-regionalBut i would be just as happy with 10-10-10-Regional, 10-10-Regional, 16-16-RegionalOne of the main parts of reconstruction should be to put most of the 3rd division teams in regional leagues and introduce a pyramid systemWe have far too many 'senior' teams (42) compared to any other country in Europe with a population of less than 30 million, we should have maximum 32 'senior' teams, the rest should be regional. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Redwhiteandblue 3,330 Posted January 9, 2013 Author Share Posted January 9, 2013 Edit: noticed a wee problem with the promotion from the non leagues.The winner from the play off of the Highland/EOS league goes straight up, runner up plays off with 11th in 3rd division to see who plays in the 3rd division the following season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwhiteandblue 3,330 Posted January 9, 2013 Author Share Posted January 9, 2013 How do you plan to get 38 games out of a 12 team league format for the 2nd and 3rd divisions? Hope you're not thinking about the ridiculous split rearing it's ugly head again. Still better than the mental SPL proposals though mate.Shit, your right mate.Theres only 2 ways round that - 44 game league or a split.Or we kick 2 teams out the league and make the first division a 20 team league, then go with leagues of 10. or kick out 4 teams and stay with the 18 first with leagues of 10 below. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarkev 3,540 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 If it was up to me, this is how it would go -First (top) division - 18 teams play each other twice, 1 home game, 1 away. 34 game league, no split. top after 34 games is champion.2 teams guaranteed to be relegated with a 3rd entering a play-off with teams from the second divisionWinter break - shut down for the full month of January. Any games missed in December or February would be easy to fit in with there only being 34 games a season.Second division - 12 team league. 38 game league, with 1st place declared champion and winning promotion to first division. Second place goes up automatically along with the champions.Teams in 3rd 4th and 5th (and team finishing16th in division 1) go into play off with home and away fixtures and normal aggregate/ extra time rules apply. Semi final -Team finishing 16th in division 1 goes away to team finishing 5th in second division, then second game at home of First division team. 3rd goes away to fourth, then the return leg is at home for the team who finished 3rd.Final - played at Hampden in one off fixture. Extra time and penalties if no winner after 90 mins.2 teams relegated, 12th place automatically, 11th goes into play off with teams from 3rd division.Third division - 12 team league. 38 game league Top after 38 games is champion and wins promotion to Division 2. Second placed goes into a one off final to be played at Hampden.Two teams relegated, 12th place automatically. 11th place goes into one off play off final to be played at hampden against the Champion of a play off winners from regional non-league teams. Eg. Highland league winners play East of Scotland league winners in final play off to play team who finishes 11th in 3rd division.This next bit is only a suggestion.Junior teams (and other leagues) invited to play in the play off between Highland/EOS league. Entering at semi final stage if invite accepted by at least 2 teams. Must be willing to give up Junior status to be accepted.New set up for the league cupKnock out round for teams in the third division, home and away. Winner gets to enter group stages.Group stages - 6 groups of 5. Draw done a seeding basis from last seasons league position.Teams play each other once with 1st and 2nd automatically qualifying for next round (knock out) of 16. teams finishing 3rd in each group to play in a mini league of 7 a side games with 10 minute halves played over 1 day at a neutral venue.Top 4 teams join the 12 already in the last 16 knock out. Sounds mad, I know, but Scottish football need changing, not just re-arranged. I personally would take interest in the 7 a side games.I have just thought this up as I type along. Surely this is no worse than what is being proposed by the SPL?So fire away folks. Tear it appart, tell me how amazing it is . Add to, take away. It's up to you.I like the majority of that mate but the reason quoted last night for the SPL clubs wanting the 12 team set up was for teams like Aberdeen etc to have more games against the bigger teams...they would never go for it...not because it wouldn't be the best thing for Scottish football but because they might lose some money...self preservation is the name if the game unfortunately...I like the idea if group stages in the cup and would regionalise it to have more Derbys and get more fans along for the lower league clubs! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwhiteandblue 3,330 Posted January 9, 2013 Author Share Posted January 9, 2013 ...I agree with this as well. We have far too many senior teams. It's shit kicking them out, but at least if we have a pyramid, they have a chance to get back in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombomb 28 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Good idea shame there's no brains at the top Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverick1200 2,987 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 You could add in a 7 a side indoor tournament/cup for a bit of football in January . It could be the our equivalent to 20/20 cricket. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwhiteandblue 3,330 Posted January 9, 2013 Author Share Posted January 9, 2013 How do you plan to get 38 games out of a 12 team league format for the 2nd and 3rd divisions? Hope you're not thinking about the ridiculous split rearing it's ugly head again. Still better than the mental SPL proposals though mate.In fact, after thinking about it, a split might actually be a good idea. 12 team split in to 2 lots of 6, remember there is 3 promotion places up for grabs in the second division. That's six teams battling for the two automatic places and the one playoff place. So six teams battling for 3 very good reasons, plus the lower divisions are usually a lot tighter at the top and bottom. for the bottom 6, the team at the bottom might be cut a drift, but there is a really good chance that the second bottom wont be far off the pace of the teams above them. so that would make for very tense games at the bottom of the league.Aye, I'd go with a split. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFarmer 260 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I agree with this as well. We have far too many senior teams. It's shit kicking them out, but at least if we have a pyramid, they have a chance to get back in.We have the most in Europe outside the 'big' leagues from the big countries. Its ridiculous. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFarmer 260 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Iv done a quick mock up of the current set up in Switzerland. They eventually got rid of what the SPL is proposing.This would be 100 times better.(if the forum resizes the image click on it to read it) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwhiteandblue 3,330 Posted January 9, 2013 Author Share Posted January 9, 2013 Iv done a quick mock up of the current set up in Switzerland. They eventually got rid of what the SPL is proposing.This would be 100 times better.(if the forum resizes the image click on it to read it)That is decent. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFarmer 260 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 That is decent.Would be a dream come true if that happened.Add in a British Super Cup (EPL winner vs Scottish Premiership winner) and were laughing Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectre 1,663 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 It's logical and better than the nonsense proposed by the blazers, that's a start at least Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcoholic 1,348 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Oi you lot!!!This is the Bears Den and no place for considered reasonable debate!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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