govanmob 11 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 "85. RESTRICTION ON DISSOLUTIONIt shall not be competent to resolve to wind up the League with the purpose or effect of then re-forming a National Association Football League within three years of the date of the resolution to wind up which shall exclude any club formerly in membership of the League or which shall exclude a club formerly in membership of the League from being promoted to a higher division of such League where it had a legitimate expectation of such promotion when a member of the League, unless such club shall consent in writing to such exclusion; and in the event of such a resolution being passed and such circumstances arising within the said three year period such resolution shall be null and void and treated as such ab initio."Interesting... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
govanblue 16,847 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 "85. RESTRICTION ON DISSOLUTIONIt shall not be competent to resolve to wind up the League with the purpose or effect of then re-forming a National Association Football League within three years of the date of the resolution to wind up which shall exclude any club formerly in membership of the League or which shall exclude a club formerly in membership of the League from being promoted to a higher division of such League where it had a legitimate expectation of such promotion when a member of the League, unless such club shall consent in writing to such exclusion; and in the event of such a resolution being passed and such circumstances arising within the said three year period such resolution shall be null and void and treated as such ab initio."Interesting..."Unless we have conspired to ensure that said club doesn't actually have a vote." Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoorie 1,090 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Source? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dummiesoot 16,233 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 some cunt got paid a fortune to write that fucking double dutch. plain english society loyal Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
govanmob 11 Posted January 9, 2013 Author Share Posted January 9, 2013 http://www.scottishfootballleague.com/docs/009__034__constitution__rules__SFL_Constitution__Rules__1346425915.pdfSFL constitution.Voting rights appear irrelevant as it mentions only permission.Seems pretty clear cut to me, would also apply to the winner of SFL2 who funnily enough get promoted to the lower 12. Only the winner of SFL3 is getting screwed then. Funny that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
govanmob 11 Posted January 9, 2013 Author Share Posted January 9, 2013 My understanding is this:If you close the SFL with the intention of starting a new national league then any member team due for promotion in the SFL prior to closure should gain promotion in whatever the new league body is.If this doesn't happen then the closure of the league and any subsequent decisions are rendered invalid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alockh 14 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Maybe I'm not getting it right, but seems to me that, right now, we're in the 4th tier, under this new proposal, we'd be in the 3rd tier. Isn't that where we'd be without reconstruction anyway ?We'd play the teams less times and as now, in 3 years time we'll be back on top where we belongAm I missing something that has everyone raging? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingKirk 26,418 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Do they not need to give us a notice period, Like any club would need to do if It wanted to resign from a league? This is what well need to do to take part in the new 18 team "national league" Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faircity 186 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 ..Come on Charles get the lawyers on to this.... ..Whats Lord Nimmo Smith up to this week.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingKirk 26,418 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Maybe I'm not getting it right, but seems to me that, right now, we're in the 4th tier, under this new proposal, we'd be in the 3rd tier. Isn't that where we'd be without reconstruction anyway ?We'd play the teams less times and as now, in 3 years time we'll be back on top where we belongAm I missing something that has everyone raging?With these new plans the scottish FA has made this season pointless if they get the go ahead. I am sure thats also part of the raging. Were in the bottom league ATM. Under the new plans we will still be there next season. No matter what tier it is it's still the very bottom How is that fair? when we should be moved up a league next season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
govanmob 11 Posted January 10, 2013 Author Share Posted January 10, 2013 Regardless of how many tiers there are in the new setup, we should be owed a promotion under the current rules. If the SFL is dissolved and we enter a new league setup then technically we should enter the lower 12, not the lowest 18. That's certainly the way I see it, but I'm no lawyer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
govanblue 16,847 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Maybe I'm not getting it right, but seems to me that, right now, we're in the 4th tier, under this new proposal, we'd be in the 3rd tier. Isn't that where we'd be without reconstruction anyway ?We'd play the teams less times and as now, in 3 years time we'll be back on top where we belongAm I missing something that has everyone raging?All our current competitors will also be in that 3rd tier.What was the point of all the effort we put in to winning this league this season (assuming we do of course) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blumhoilann 6,715 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Two points,slightly off topic,If the NEW leagues come into play does that mean an end to the witchhunt that is LNS? Secondly,how many grounds meet the criteria for advancement to the upper leagues? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
72barca 1,788 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Regardless of how many tiers there are in the new setup, we should be owed a promotion under the current rules. If the SFL is dissolved and we enter a new league setup then technically we should enter the lower 12, not the lowest 18. That's certainly the way I see it, but I'm no lawyer.GM you deserve a bear hug. The ramifications of this find are huge. We know that the SPL have an upcoming tribunal, and instead of stripping titles they would probably try to fine us a few million pounds. Charles could now tell them to drop the tribunal, revoke the signing embargo, give us back our money, give us a full membership etc., etc., or no new league set-up. Now instead of having a few brews to drown my sorrows I can have a celebration. Well done. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
govanmob 11 Posted January 10, 2013 Author Share Posted January 10, 2013 The LNS tribunal does raise some interesting points. If historical titles remain the property of the league to revoke at will then this would imply that they are in effect assets of that league body. I'm in no doubt that this would apply equally to the SFL. Rule 82 of the SFL constitution states that following dissolution, any remaining assets are divided equally among the member clubs. This could get ugly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
will_1974 204 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Using the Spl table as things stand. The bottom four would get one visit from Celtic, there would also only be two Dundee and Edinburgh derbies. You would buy a season ticket without knowing who you would be playing.What happens if a club goes into admin, this year or next. Stadium requirements? Where is this extra money coming from when all the deals are coming to an end. Loads of q's need answered. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeney 241 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Am I the only one looking forward to this 18 team league? I know it's all about the principle of the matter, but ultimately it will not cost is an extra year. we will be a division higher albeit along with everybody else in the league, and we will be in the most exciting and normal league in the country. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigblueyonder 11,158 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Why do we expect to go from anything but 4th to 3rd? Reconstruction doesn't change anything other than the clubs we would play... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanFerguson2012 123 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 It's an interesting clause. Lawyers can wriggle out of anything but there does seem a case for Rangers to be consulted vote or no vote.For those that can't see we are losing out of this as we get back in the same time, we lose a promotion. The lower teams from the SFL 3 gain another game with Rangers they would not have had due to our promotion and the lower div 2 teams lose a game with us due to restructure. This means that a likely vote would be YES for the restructure but we will need to wait & see. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamibianBear 1,853 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 I haven't read the constitution nor am I going to. I have read plenty of others however and in all of them, there are get out clauses in the case of a (usually 2/3 or 75%) majority vote at an EGM/SAGM. I presume the SFA/SFL/SPL ones will be the same.This 3 year waiting/notice period WILL be null and void IF the required majority decides it is not required. Ergo, we will end up with the league reconstruction if the SPL blackmails bribes convinces the SFL teams to sign up to whatever deal they make. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right_To_Censor 1,951 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 maybe we should just take it easy on the park since we have nothing to play for Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamibianBear 1,853 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 maybe we should just take it easy on the park since we have nothing to play forSave our guys getting injured by these Div3 hooligans? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right_To_Censor 1,951 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Save our guys getting injured by these Div3 hooligans?I think we should be the first team ever to trial a coat of armor under our kit Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenosebrad 452 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Question about the middle 8 ??? when these teams comes together with 14 games to play what would the pricing structure be as we know the SPL is around £20 - £25 per game. The D1 is £15-£17 entrance???? if you where a supporter or D1 would you expect to pay more to watch an SPL team or would an SPL cost less to play a D1 team????? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco 1,762 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Don't understand the rage over this - honestly. We're going from the 4th tier to the 3rd tier so no harm done. As for the "What's the point of this season" then argument - it's the same as all those teams who play week in week out without a hope of promotion, but don't fear relegation - pride and money for the placing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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