mitre_mouldmaster 21,511 Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 The draft proposals for the SPFL which have been leaked are clearly illegal by the current rules.In the summer just gone, it was quite correctly pointed out that Rangers were not relegated to the SFL3 as their was no method available to Relegate a team from the SPL to the SFL3. There are indeed strict rules governing both Promotion and Relegation.The rules of the SFL state that promotion from the SFL is only available to the winner, and potentially the runner up, if they can negotiate a play off :-93.3 The highest club in the Third Division subject to its ground being, in the opinion of the Board, suitable for the requirements of Second Division games shall be promoted to the Second Division and the lowest club of the Second Division shall be relegated to the Third Division.93.4.2 The second lowest placed club in the First Division will play the fourth placed club in the Second Division on a home and away knock-out basis. The second lowest placed club in the First Division will play the second leg at home. The second highest placed club in the Second Division will play the third highest placed club in the Second Division on a home and away knock-out basis. The second highest club in the Second Division will play the second leg at home. The winners of the two ties will play off on a home and away knock-out basis. The home team in the first tie will be determined by the drawing of lots. The winner of this tie will play in the First Division in the following season. The second lowest placed club in the Second Division will play the fourth placed club in the Third Division on a home and away knock-out basis. The second lowest placed club in the Second Division will play the second leg at home. The second highest placed club in the Third Division will play the third highest placed club in the Third Division on a home and away knock-out basis. The second highest placed club in the Third Division will play the second leg at home. The winners of the two ties will play off on a home and away knock-out basis. The home team in the first tie will be determined by the drawing of lots. The winner of this tie will play in the Second Division in the following season.There is no mention in there of any potential way for the team who finishes last in the SFL3 being given a 'Promotion'. There is no law to facilitate a promotion for the team finishing 10th in the division. They cannot be promoted.If through reconstruction, they find themself one tier closer to the top, then thats fine, thats what reconstruction can do. They did not however get their via 'Promotion' as the rules state this was not possible.If Rangers were to find themselves in the bottom division of the scottish league system again next season with a team who could not have possibly been promoted, then it is obvious that Rangers have not been promoted. We might have moved closer to the top through reconstruction, but it was not a promotion.Its just like how I have worked in a workplace where a rationalisation happened. My boss was made redundant. I moved a step closer to the CEO due to the reporting line shortening. I kept my job title though, I did not get a wage rise. I did not get a promotion. A restructure just meant that I moved up a level in a structure.The SFL rules make it very clear, they cannot disband the SFL if it will lead to a promotion being denied :-85. RESTRICTION ON DISSOLUTIONIt shall not be competent to resolve to wind up the League with the purpose or effect of then re-forming a National Association Football League within three years of the date of the resolution to wind up which shall exclude any club formerly in membership of the League or which shall exclude a club formerly in membership of the League from being promoted to a higher division of such League where it had a legitimate expectation of such promotion when a member of the League, unless such club shall consent in writing to such exclusion; and in the event of such a resolution being passed and such circumstances arising within the said three year period such resolution shall be null and void and treated as such ab initio.It is also worth noting that this rule covers both Full and Associate Members of the SFL, so no get out there.We are being denied a rightfully earned promotion.The SFL are planning on winding up.This is clearly against the rules! They will be cheating if they try to do this and it should be challenged in court. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crespie6 334 Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 The draft proposals for the SPFL which have been leaked are clearly illegal by the current rules.In the summer just gone, it was quite correctly pointed out that Rangers were not relegated to the SFL3 as their was no method available to Relegate a team from the SPL to the SFL3. There are indeed strict rules governing both Promotion and Relegation.The rules of the SFL state that promotion from the SFL is only available to the winner, and potentially the runner up, if they can negotiate a play off :-93.3 The highest club in the Third Division subject to its ground being, in the opinion of the Board, suitable for the requirements of Second Division games shall be promoted to the Second Division and the lowest club of the Second Division shall be relegated to the Third Division.93.4.2 The second lowest placed club in the First Division will play the fourth placed club in the Second Division on a home and away knock-out basis. The second lowest placed club in the First Division will play the second leg at home. The second highest placed club in the Second Division will play the third highest placed club in the Second Division on a home and away knock-out basis. The second highest club in the Second Division will play the second leg at home. The winners of the two ties will play off on a home and away knock-out basis. The home team in the first tie will be determined by the drawing of lots. The winner of this tie will play in the First Division in the following season. The second lowest placed club in the Second Division will play the fourth placed club in the Third Division on a home and away knock-out basis. The second lowest placed club in the Second Division will play the second leg at home. The second highest placed club in the Third Division will play the third highest placed club in the Third Division on a home and away knock-out basis. The second highest placed club in the Third Division will play the second leg at home. The winners of the two ties will play off on a home and away knock-out basis. The home team in the first tie will be determined by the drawing of lots. The winner of this tie will play in the Second Division in the following season.There is no mention in there of any potential way for the team who finishes last in the SFL3 being given a 'Promotion'. There is no law to facilitate a promotion for the team finishing 10th in the division. They cannot be promoted.If through reconstruction, they find themself one tier closer to the top, then thats fine, thats what reconstruction can do. They did not however get their via 'Promotion' as the rules state this was not possible.If Rangers were to find themselves in the bottom division of the scottish league system again next season with a team who could not have possibly been promoted, then it is obvious that Rangers have not been promoted. We might have moved closer to the top through reconstruction, but it was not a promotion.Its just like how I have worked in a workplace where a rationalisation happened. My boss was made redundant. I moved a step closer to the CEO due to the reporting line shortening. I kept my job title though, I did not get a wage rise. I did not get a promotion. A restructure just meant that I moved up a level in a structure.The SFL rules make it very clear, they cannot disband the SFL if it will lead to a promotion being denied :-85. RESTRICTION ON DISSOLUTIONIt shall not be competent to resolve to wind up the League with the purpose or effect of then re-forming a National Association Football League within three years of the date of the resolution to wind up which shall exclude any club formerly in membership of the League or which shall exclude a club formerly in membership of the League from being promoted to a higher division of such League where it had a legitimate expectation of such promotion when a member of the League, unless such club shall consent in writing to such exclusion; and in the event of such a resolution being passed and such circumstances arising within the said three year period such resolution shall be null and void and treated as such ab initio.It is also worth noting that this rule covers both Full and Associate Members of the SFL, so no get out there.We are being denied a rightfully earned promotion.The SFL are planning on winding up.This is clearly against the rules! They will be cheating if they try to do this and it should be challenged in court.i think the bit in bold is where we are going to fall down Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 i think the bit in bold is where we are going to fall downyou think they will even try to say our ground isnt suitable? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crespie6 334 Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 you think they will even try to say our ground isnt suitable?anything that states "in the opinion of the board" chills me. although i will admit that i was slightly tongue in cheek there. basically, i think we will agree that they are all dicks and should be doused in gasoline and left outside under a large magnifying glass (on a sunny day) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carsons Dog 9,878 Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 you think they will even try to say our ground isnt suitable?They might get us on the quality of the food in the Club Deck Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agentorange 17 Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Good post but do you think that they can just make things up as they go along. e.g. the last 12 months. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 They might get us on the quality of the food in the Club Deck Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitre_mouldmaster 21,511 Posted March 9, 2013 Author Share Posted March 9, 2013 Good post but do you think that they can just make things up as they go along. e.g. the last 12 months.They can try, but when challenged they have to back down. If their are rules in place that would see a PLC put into a financially better situation (i.e. given our deserved promotion), then a court will look and decide fairly.If a court tell the SFA/SPL/SFL to behave, they will have no option but to do as they are told. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agentorange 17 Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 They can try, but when challenged they have to back down. If their are rules in place that would see a PLC put into a financially better situation (i.e. given our deserved promotion), then a court will look and decide fairly.If a court tell the SFA/SPL/SFL to behave, they will have no option but to do as they are told. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agentorange 17 Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 MM I totally agree, in a normal democracy however think about the unlawful transfer embargo Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamibianBear 1,853 Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 They will just promote us to the next level up - i.e the 2nd of the 12 12 10 10 or 12 12 18 scenario. The precedent for doing (Stirling I think?) so was set for that already and that's where they will put us (that's where they have to put us).I don't like this as its basically forcing us to advance beyond the normal time frame so that we can save their sorry asses. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitre_mouldmaster 21,511 Posted March 9, 2013 Author Share Posted March 9, 2013 MM I totally agree, in a normal democracy however think about the unlawful transfer embargoIf we look at things though, as annoying as it is to admit, they did not break the law in the end with that.They were sneaky and immoral, but legal.When they gave us it first it was illegal and we had it overturned in court.We then went NewCo and needed our licence back. The transfer ban was a condition of getting our licence, not officially a punishment for the PAYE issue. This was not illegal.This time we already have our licence, so no worming out on a technicality. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitre_mouldmaster 21,511 Posted March 9, 2013 Author Share Posted March 9, 2013 They will just promote us to the next level up - i.e the 2nd of the 12 12 10 10 or 12 12 18 scenario. The precedent for doing (Stirling I think?) so was set for that already and that's where they will put us (that's where they have to put us).I don't like this as its basically forcing us to advance beyond the normal time frame so that we can save their sorry asses.No, that's where we would deserve to be. It's not fast tracking us, we have earned a promotion.They are wanting to put us back in the bottom tier again, that's not on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamibianBear 1,853 Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 No, that's where we would deserve to be. It's not fast tracking us, we have earned a promotion.They are wanting to put us back in the bottom tier again, that's not on.That's basically what I was saying. They have to put us up regardless of how many leagues they create. If they create just two then we are back in the top one. They are only doing this to save themselves with our money. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitre_mouldmaster 21,511 Posted March 9, 2013 Author Share Posted March 9, 2013 That's basically what I was saying. They have to put us up regardless of how many leagues they create. If they create just two then we are back in the top one. They are only doing this to save themselves with our money.Yea, but have you missed the plans that were released today?They have leaked the plans, they are trying to put us back in the bottom division. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins 20 Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 If a restructure takes place they can change their rules given that it is voted for by the clubs in each of the leagues Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamibianBear 1,853 Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Yea, but have you missed the plans that were released today?They have leaked the plans, they are trying to put us back in the bottom division.Missed that (look where I am!).If so, more corruption from the most corrupt organization ever but it would not surprise me. Lieswell has not yet won more titles than us (even with their creative accounting) so we will not be allowed back yet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agentorange 17 Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 MM As you correctly state initially the TE was illegal and rightly was overturned however again the deceit and underhandedness of this organisation came to the fore but imposing it anyway it could . That's why I think if it doesn't suit them they will change the rules. I personally think they want to try to fast track us back for the money. IMO we would need to spend 20 mill + to be in a position to win the league. That's a lot of money and we're not in Europe after winning their league. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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