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There are two points here, the one around the hypocrisy of the SPFL and country in general expecting this when it was not enforced for Remembrance is absolutely disgraceful.

The people on here who are talking about Mandela in such a negative way may want to consider just how much they would enjoy a South African football fan giving it large about Northern Irish politics.

Trying to take a 'Rangers' view on Mandela is mentally inept and would make the club look ridiculous if the fans did so, luckily a handful of nutters on here will fade into the crowd.

"Rangers" view has fuck all to do with it. That is my view of Mandella and nobody elses. A terrorist is a terrorist. I dont give a toss what justification he thinks he had. Every Palestinian or similar says the same.

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I assume you know what south african apartheid is?

If he is a terrorist, how would you describe the south african governments of the day?

I don't think that's the issue.

You can't simply ignore the evils of Mandela's earlier involvement in terrorist activity just because he was fighting against an evil himself i.e. the apartheid government of South Africa during that period.

His engagement in the terrorist actions calculated and imposed by the aggressive wing of the ANC isn't at question. He admitted to it at his trial. Nor is it the sole factor, for me personally, that makes this suggested silence/applause an incredibly controversial issue. His time as President, after his release from prison, and much after the period of his life in discussion, was hardly a tenure which supported his portrayal as an African saint of equality and justice.

He publicly supported two of the most prominent and vicious dictatorial leaders of the 20th century in Muammar Gaddafi and Suharto in Indonesia. In fact, he awarded them both two of the highest South African honours available. Do we just choose to ignore that when we're judging his overall character? We can't. No semi-intelligent being can. Amnesty International refused his appeal to be recognised as a 'prisoner of conscience' - surely that raises your suspicions enough to at least acknowledge that the guy's past was in no means pardoned by the reputation gained in his later life?

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I assume you know what south african apartheid is?

If he is a terrorist, how would you describe the south african governments of the day?

The apartheid system was utterly wrong but so was the virtual apartheid in parts of the USA and I don't recall Martin Luther King bombing anyone. That is the difference in how I view these men.

He was a terrorist plain and simple. What he did in later life may have in some way redeemed him in some minds but not everyones

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I'm shocked and a bit disappointed with some of the comments in here. I do suggest you try looking into the history of apartheid and then see why the people took the actions they felt necessary.

Not condemning innocent people being killed, but i can understand why the black people had reached breaking point within the country. how these people had been treated for simply having a different colour of skin was a disgrace, and i'd argue the governments had acted far, far worse than any of the terrorists at the time.

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I'm shocked and a bit disappointed with some of the comments in here. I do suggest you try looking into the history of apartheid and then see why the people took the actions they felt necessary.

Not condemning innocent people being killed, but i can understand why the black people had reached breaking point within the country. how these people had been treated for simply having a different colour of skin was a disgrace, and i'd argue the governments had acted far, far worse than any of the terrorists at the time.

But only looking at the actions of the apartheid regime is just as ignorant as only looking at the terrors created by Mandela's ANC. I'm sorry but you simply cannot ignore the atrocities of the Umkonto we Sizwe simply because the government of the time was equally as evil.

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But only looking at the actions of the apartheid regime is just as ignorant as only looking at the terrors created by Mandela's ANC. I'm sorry but you simply cannot ignore the atrocities of the Umkonto we Sizwe simply because the government of the time was equally as evil.

I'm not ignoring anything. I'm saying i can understand why though. and for people to come out and say he was simply a terrorist clearly don't have a clue

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I'm not ignoring anything. I'm saying i can understand why though. and for people to come out and say he was simply a terrorist clearly don't have a clue

He was an incredibly controversial man. People outright refusing to recognise the good he did as a figurehead of international peace activism need to realise that it doesn't mean they have to condone his ominous activity in earlier life.

The whole reason he's so significant is because of the bipolarity of his character and his impact on the society around him, good and bad.

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I have nothing to applaud Mr Mandela for. I wont boo because I was brought up and no dragged up. The whole applause thing was brung in here because the dragged up Mhanky Mhob believe they are a political movement/voice for the poor downtrodden underclass who cant stay silent for one minute if it doesnt suit their left wing rhepublican ideal.

And old guy died. Im sure he isnt the only one who has in the last 48hrs. But it does smack of hypocrisy that spfl can make such a fuss for Mr Mandela yet Ignore Rememberence so that one clubs politics and hatred could be hidden.

I hope we dont fall into a trap tomorrow. Im gonnae be silent then roar on The Rangers for another 3points.

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I'm shocked and a bit disappointed with some of the comments in here. I do suggest you try looking into the history of apartheid and then see why the people took the actions they felt necessary.

Not condemning innocent people being killed, but i can understand why the black people had reached breaking point within the country. how these people had been treated for simply having a different colour of skin was a disgrace, and i'd argue the governments had acted far, far worse than any of the terrorists at the time.

Well the good news is that, regardless of the violence and terrorism, the actions of these people certainly resulted in a South Africa that is a far better place to live these days, i mean it's virtually crime free and mindless violence is a thing of the past, and all blacks who were previously disadvantaged now have so many opportunities. It is most certainly not the case that it's only the politicians with questionable backgrounds who are thriving, right?

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