simplythebest 11,453 Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Two things bother me about this. 1, I would prefer Wallace to continue with us and play again for Rangers in the top league and Rangers. 2, I had hoped we had seen the end of our best players leaving in January, half way through a season; it is irritating to have a settled side and then the usual speculation in December, with the sale done at the very last minute in January. This is the one thing I hope is not going to part of Rangers in the future.If we'd sold more players in the past it would likely have helped avoid the situation we're in now.Selling on players for decent cash is sadly the reality of Scottish football, even the scum with all their CL money have still had to sell players.The window it's in doesn't make a massive difference but obviously you like to be able to buy a replacement of some kind. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnberry18 3,204 Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 If we'd sold more players in the past it would likely have helped avoid the situation we're in now.Selling on players for decent cash is sadly the reality of Scottish football, even the scum with all their CL money have still had to sell players.The window it's in doesn't make a massive difference but obviously you like to be able to buy a replacement of some kind.With respect, I disagree. When you have a settled side, that can take a few months to blend. It became too common for us to lose very important players in January. Jelavic, Miller, Hutton, Boumsong. I'd prefer if a player leaves then he leaves in the summer. Granted, some of those who left didn't impact too greatly when it came to winning leagues, but losing the best players in January is a no no for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 With respect, I disagree. When you have a settled side, that can take a few months to blend. It became too common for us to lose very important players in January. Jelavic, Miller, Hutton, Boumsong. I'd prefer if a player leaves then he leaves in the summer. Granted, some of those who left didn't impact too greatly when it came to winning leagues, but losing the best players in January is a no no for me.It depends really, Boumsong was a great bit of business considering the players we brought in with the money, such a big offer for Hutton came totally out the blue, I think that summer most of us would have been happy to see him replaced but he had such a great start that season.Miller's contract situation was to blame there but he still made a big contribution to our season in the first half, I'd have kept him for the remainder but the club obviously wanted to get something rather than lose him for nothing. Jelavic situation was gutting especially since we were already so thin up front but as we later found out it was an incredible situation where our owner was deliberately not paying the bills.I agree with you really and I'd like to think we won't be giving up players easily in January but there will be offers we can't turn down considering the financial limitations. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnberry18 3,204 Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 It depends really, Boumsong was a great bit of business considering the players we brought in with the money, such a big offer for Hutton came totally out the blue, I think that summer most of us would have been happy to see him replaced.Miller's contract situation was to blame there but he still made a big contribution to our season in the first half, I'd have kept him for the remainder but the club obviously wanted to get something rather than lose him for nothing. Jelavic situation was gutting especially since we were already so thin up front but as we later found out it was an incredible situation where our owner was deliberately not paying the bills.I agree with you really and I'd like to think we won't be giving up players easily in January but there will be offers we can't turn down considering the financial limitations.If Wallace goes in January I just hope it doesn't set a future precedent along the way. Very few big clubs, if any, sell their best players in January, and the one thing I remember above all is that it became a pattern for us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 If Wallace goes in January I just hope it doesn't set a future precedent along the way. Very few big clubs, if any, sell their best players in January, and the one thing I remember above all is that it became a pattern for us.I'd find it a bit odd considering we've held onto him for three transfer windows since we got demoted, maybe his appearances for Scotland have increased interest. Him leaving wouldn't make any difference to our league situation, could be a big blow for the cups, but I really hoped he'd be here for us getting right back to the top. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnberry18 3,204 Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 I'd find it a bit odd considering we've held onto him for three transfer windows since we got demoted, maybe his appearances for Scotland have increased interest.I agree, it would be a strange one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangersross 6,527 Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 I'd really like to see him captain us in the Champions League. Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if he left before he gets the chance. Either way, he'll be remembered as a great servant of the club. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamFyfe 1,438 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Billy Davies would probably like Wallace. I'd take no less than £3m. He's such a vital to player for us but. Would be very disappointed if we lost him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theiconicman 2,947 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Billy Davies would probably like Wallace. I'd take no less than £3m.He's such a vital to player for us but. Would be very disappointed if we lost him.It would be a shame to see him leave for that pittance. A Scotland international and likely best LB in the country should command more than £3m. However, if Lee wanted to leave, given where we are and our finances then I think we should hold out for £4m and give him our best wishes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenosebrad 452 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 I understand that Wallace has no intentions to leave he is happy enjoying life as a Bear and has a young family thats doesnt want to move. He is performing well so is bound to draw interest especially if clubs think they can get him on the cheap?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbluesea 108 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 He is going nowhere Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muirheadbear 1,483 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 I await the Lewis McLeod rumours from the Mhedia Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Brian Fantana 28,894 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 The sensible move for us would be to loan him out in January to let him get better football but that's a risk as he may end up wanting to stay with the club he's loaned too. Players like Wallace and Bell aren't required at our current level and to save them festering we should loan them out to let them hone their talent. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyal Bear 72 363 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Considering Wallace is paid-for, selling him makes no sense at all at this moment in time unless most/all of the following statements are true;The club isn't financially secure.The player is costing us sums of money in wages which will run into amounts over the next few years for which there is little hope of seeing return on.The player wants to leave.The player is attracting interest at a level where we could see a good profit on him just now ( I question this first and foremost as we can't do that in the Champions League most of the time never mind in the 3rd tier).The player is worth more for sale just now than he would be in 2 years (in the SPFL at that point) baring in mind the contribution he looks as though he could make on the field between now and then.The club has a ready made replacement for him which is considerably more affordable.The player has an injury problem which is going to finish him and cost us shortly unless we offload him now.Some of these surely aren't the case so in my mind unless it's silly money, which I sincerely doubt, it's bizarre to punt him just now. He's one of the few players we can say is good enough hand on heart to take those fuckers to task.I'd say that only one of your statements would have to be true and that is "The player wants to leave". Saying that, I doubt he would want to leave unless he saw the chance of a big move down south. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE_Ibrox_Preacher 2,812 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather 70,782 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 If bids of 3 million or more come in we won't be able to afford not to sell IMO Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianb1547 3,767 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 The sensible move for us would be to loan him out in January to let him get better football but that's a risk as he may end up wanting to stay with the club he's loaned too. Players like Wallace and Bell aren't required at our current level and to save them festering we should loan them out to let them hone their talent.The rationale behind loaning a player out is for them to get 1st team football. There are only 2 situations where this arises. 1 - Player returning from injury - like Ramsey who went to Cardiff from Arsenal.2 - He cant command a 1st team place (and likely to be sold) as per Andy Carroll, Liverpool to West HamTo suggest Wallace be loaned out is, in my opinion, ridiculous. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalvinC 1,414 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 If bids of 3 million or more come in we won't be able to afford not to sell IMOYup Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyal Bear 72 363 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 I can see your point on that one but I struggle to imagine our club taking a massive financial/footballing dent on selling him just now because he wants a move alone.I struggle to even imagine that a club is interested in buying him at all currently tbh due to the money we paid and the league we're in.I think your probably right regarding interest being unlikely. Your probably looking at a current 'price' of 3 million at present rising to around 5 million when back at the top, assuming he keeps form and stays fit. However, at the end of next season, he will be moving into the last two years of his contract and his price tag will then start to drop if he does not sign a new deal. At the end of the 2016 season he can sign a pre-contract agreement with another club meaning we would get nothing. I think because of this the financial dent would not be as big as you think. However, from a footballing point of view, it would be devastating if he did leave. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabudr4 5 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 I reckon Lee Wallace will be here for the full journey back. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fantana 28,894 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 The rationale behind loaning a player out is for them to get 1st team football. There are only 2 situations where this arises. 1 - Player returning from injury - like Ramsey who went to Cardiff from Arsenal.2 - He cant command a 1st team place (and likely to be sold) as per Andy Carroll, Liverpool to West HamTo suggest Wallace be loaned out is, in my opinion, ridiculous.Pish, both are capable of playing at a higher level and as such should be loaned out for them to stay at their peak for our return to the SPL. Bell is never being tested in the league. I'm not saying it will happen, i'm saying it should. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ianb1547 3,767 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 bf.....I agree both are capable of playing at a higher level...as are quite a few others in our team.... should they all be sent out on loan?your idea of 'festering' is at odds with the football world - where it normally means "on the bench or in the reserves". where is the sense of buying a player that's too good for the league you are in and sending him out on loan?opinions, eh? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamFyfe 1,438 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 I think another thing to add is maybe if Lee was going to leave he would have done it already surely. I think he's happy here. His family is settled and so on. He knows he's our captain next year it Jig goes and so on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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