The Godfather 70,781 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Hearing today Edu was sent away to MLS by Stoke and that is yet another starter for us who has failed to really shine after leaving the club.There have been quite a few in the past few years who shone here like Boyd, Naimsith, Whittaker, Jelavic, Edu ect who have not really kept any sort of form going when they left us and most bar Aluko and McGreggor have had a fair amount of bench time. Also some others who looked promising like Ness but I don’t think I ever seen him turn out for Stoke.Is this because they are genuinely not really as good as some of us thought or the level from SPL to EPL where most went to is too vast so shows in how they fail to flatter? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
corkinator 611 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 They are no where nearly as good as some think! No better than championship mid table players, now though I would say even worse. Macgregor, lol, Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Negri's Beard 1,423 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 The level from SPL/Scottish football to the Premiership is vast, no question. Hence our best players will go down there and be little better than average. The same with Celtic's best players too - ie. Hooper and Wanyama have been pretty rank since going down there.As a set of fans, and on here particularly, there's certainly an element of players being either brilliant or shite, with little room for a grey area Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinty 1,445 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 You could argue that Charlie Adam turned out to be better than we thought. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Mcgregors dokng pretty well at hull, Naismith is a good squad player at Everton, ditto Whittaker at Norwich but some of the others surprise me like Edu - jelavic looked great when he first started atveverton and I hope he regains his form after his transfer ( £12m I believe) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Negri's Beard 1,423 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Mcgregors dokng pretty well at hull, Naismith is a good squad player at Everton, ditto Whittaker at Norwich but some of the others surprise me like Edu - jelavic looked great when he first started atveverton and I hope he regains his form after his transfer ( £12m I believe)Half that as far as i'm aware. something like £6.5m + add-ons. They did well in even getting that to be honest Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather 70,781 Posted January 28, 2014 Author Share Posted January 28, 2014 The level from SPL/Scottish football to the Premiership is vast, no question. Hence our best players will go down there and be little better than average. The same with Celtic's best players too - ie. Hooper and Wanyama have been pretty rank since going down there.As a set of fans, and on here particularly, there's certainly an element of players being either brilliant or shite, with little room for a grey areaAgreed.Many who looked stand out's here have looked nothing more than bit part squad fillers down south like Naismith, Whittaker, ect. The best striker in the SPL last year also looks average as you say when he went down south while bar a good few months Jelavic too who stood out here became a joke figure up front at Everton towards the end. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fantana 28,894 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 they're all big fish in a small pond up here, but small fish in an ocean down there.not many can make the change in the style of play IMO and for the most part, our ex players appeared to be lazy bastards in training. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the goal machine 7,765 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 The difference in quality is huge. I don't think we overhyped them to be honest, they were properly rated accordingly to what they did for the club IMO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Negri's Beard 1,423 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Agreed.Many who looked stand out's here have looked nothing more than bit part squad fillers down south like Naismith, Whittaker, ect.The best striker in the SPL last year also looks average as you say when he went down south while bar a good few months Jelavic too who stood out here became a joke figure up front at Everton towards the end.Its just the reality of it. You can finish bottom of the premiership and earn what a mid-table SPL team would take decades to earn. Can't compete with that Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,205 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Always thought he was pish to be fair. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather 70,781 Posted January 28, 2014 Author Share Posted January 28, 2014 Its just the reality of it. You can finish bottom of the premiership and earn what a mid-table SPL team would take decades to earn. Can't compete with thatGetting relegated with no cup runs in the English premiership gets you more £ than winning the SPL (PL), Scottish cup, Leauge cup and even a run in the CL group stages with a Scottish club.Grim. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Without a doubt.We're even doing it in these lower leagues. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the goal machine 7,765 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Without a doubt.We're even doing it in these lower leagues.Who would you say is getting overhyped? The only players I see regular praise for are Wallace and MacLeod really. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather 70,781 Posted January 28, 2014 Author Share Posted January 28, 2014 Without a doubt.We're even doing it in these lower leagues.Law was a prime example at the start of the season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Law was a prime example at the start of the season.Even Lee Wallace, now he's a real stand out for us and I think he can play at a higher level but there was someone on here saying he'd get into any team in the Premiership. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Who would you say is getting overhyped? The only players I see regular praise for are Wallace and MacLeod really.All the young players have been overhyped at some point, and while it may not be happening right now there has been over the top praise at times for the likes of Law, Shiels, Templeton, Black, Mohsni etc. In my opinion anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Negri's Beard 1,423 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Even Lee Wallace, now he's a real stand out for us and I think he can play at a higher level but there was someone on here saying he'd get into any team in the Premiership.Scottish or English?Cos i do think he'd get into any Scottish premiership side Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FernandoR20 2,133 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Did anyone actually rate Edu?Loved him for his goal against them but generally thought he was pish. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Scottish or English?Cos i do think he'd get into any Scottish premiership sideEnglish.Fuck the Scottish copycats. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Rz 35 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Jamie Ness is out on loan at Leyton Orient I think. I would say we rate our players higher than the reality. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wully 46,795 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 How is Davis getting on? Over 50 appearances for Southampton according to Wikipedia.That must be more than all the other arsehole's combined. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluepeter 5,627 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 We as fans probably overhype our players, we get favourites who we think are World beaters. The move from here to the EPL is a massive jump in quality, so players will struggle, especially in a team which is struggling.The club have historically underhyped our players, and sold for far less than we could if we learnt lessons from celtic. They are very good at hyping their players, and have always got better transfer fees as a result. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Jamie Ness is out on loan at Leyton Orient I think. I would say we rate our players higher than the reality.Ness is just crocked mess Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the goal machine 7,765 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 All the young players have been overhyped at some point, and while it may not be happening right now there has been over the top praise at times for the likes of Law, Shiels, Templeton, Black, Mohsni etc. In my opinion anyway.Maybe from a few but I don't think that's indicative of anything apart from some people get a wee bit carried away. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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