TravelingWilBEARy 4,319 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Threads like this always attract war metaphors. Batten down the hatches! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon 1,743 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Our history - as you well know - is inextricably linked with the protestant working classes of the West coast of Scotland and beyond. These people built this club. They (and we) are a core element in the very fabric of the club. It's not exclusive to them and neither does it have to be - Rangers makes room for all. Rangers still serve as an iconic, aspirational institution for many and our history and traditions brought us here - you don't think we should 'mix' any of that with Rangers.As I said - too late. Rangers didn't become what they are today by accident.Your religious and political beliefs have nothing to do with sport. You choose to carry those things with you into the stadium, I choose not to. Personally I don't see why people are so ready to mix religion, politics and sport. Sport has nothing in common with either. I'm not saying you shouldn't, do what you want. I'm saying I don't. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo 32,526 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Threads like this always attract war metaphors.Batten down the hatches! No bad thing. It's silly, yes, but it gets people discussing war, which is the dugs baws. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingWilBEARy 4,319 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 No bad thing. It's silly, yes, but it gets people discussing war, which is the dugs baws.War....what is it good for? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo 32,526 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 War....what is it good for? My entertainment... er sorry, absolutely nothin. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Where in what he wrote did he say don't be proud of our history? What i got is nowadays separate any politics and religion from points we try to make, which i think is fair enough.He also didn't say never react, he said don't react to everything and anything, again i think that's fair enough.We should be challenging certain things and reacting to certain things but not every single instance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cushynumber 25,178 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 War will make corpses of us all Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingWilBEARy 4,319 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Back to the debate, when will be going over the top into no-mans land then? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cushynumber 25,178 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 we have been fighting a rear guard action for so long, its time we stormed the barricades Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingWilBEARy 4,319 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 we have been fighting a rear guard action for so long, its time we stormed the barricadesIndeed, it's time for us to come out of our foxholes and launch a counter offensive. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBluebells 6,898 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Indeed, it's time for us to come out of our foxholes and launch a counter offensive. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoniram 1,919 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Now there is no point in me writing about what has happened to us, in some ways it matters not a jot how we got where we are, it has happened. And that to me is why dignified silence will never work. If you cannot be bothered looking at the past and examining why we are in this mess then to me it renders your argument as null and void. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cushynumber 25,178 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Indeed, it's time for us to come out of our foxholes and launch a counter offensive.every day is an uphill battle. We need to bring out the heavy artillary, and bombard the enemy on all fronts Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
West_Side 1,571 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Threads like this always attract war metaphors.Batten down the hatches!Is batten down the hatches a war metaphor? Is it not about ships caught in storms?Are Rangers the ship? Is the storm Scottish society? Your post is too deep for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cushynumber 25,178 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 and I dont mean just firing a salvo across their bow either!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennistoun Rangers 426 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 I personally don't think we should mix any of those things with supporting the club. There's no need to. Away from football be as vocal and active as you want with your politics. Just not at football.Claptrap. Football the world over is a badge of identity, a way of life. Long may that continue. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingWilBEARy 4,319 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Is batten down the hatches a war metaphor? Is it not about ships caught in storms?Are Rangers the ship? Is the storm Scottish society? Your post is too deep for me.Cor, I wouldn't want a pedantic fucker like you in the trenches with me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cushynumber 25,178 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Is batten down the hatches a war metaphor? Is it not about ships caught in storms?Are Rangers the ship? Is the storm Scottish society? Your post is too deep for me.buzzkill.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehost 11,061 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 We will be getting told to vote libdems next.What a mealy-mouthed diatribe of keech. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphiebrand 54 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Those who want to keep politics out of football should recognise that whether we like it or not politics and football in Glasgow are now inseperable. The RangersTaxCase blog was a perfect example of a co-ordinated attack from politically aware and motivated enemies of Rangers.The days are long gone when our only concern was the performance of the team on the park. And it's naive, and dangerous, to think those days will return anytime soon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danger ranger 922 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 I think those that are objecting to what BP9 has wrote are those that have difficultly separating supporting Rangers the football club, with defending Protestant and Unionist viewpoints.I say that as someone who values the Union and comes from Protestant stock.The club should not be a mouthpiece for racial, religious or political views. We can be identified with it, through the wider support base, but is not for the club to take those battles on.Being seen as a club with a strong Protestant and Unionist history and fanbase is good and the club should develop those links to the past and also be inclusive for the future. However it is not an advocacy body for these views.As BP9 rightly points out, we're a sporting institution and our focus should be on achieving our sporting goals. The club should only get involved in wider issues where it perceives to significantly damage the brand.We as supporters have a duty too. Demanding the club react to each our own political viewpoints and sensitivities is a road to ruin. We need to support the club in the sporting sense and fight the political fights as a supporter group.The vanguard bears are a great example of how this can operate.t Rangers have never been a mouthpiece for anything other than football and act accordingly with the laws of the land, and the vast number of the supporters do go to watch football, and yet you come on here and lecture us about how to behave ffs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theiconicman 2,991 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 t Rangers have never been a mouthpiece for anything other than football and act accordingly with the laws of the land, and the vast number of the supporters do go to watch football, and yet you come on here and lecture us about how to behave ffs.Welcome to the thread, try and catch up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 Kevin also said - "Gulf War in the 1990s, both Generals Norman Schwarzkopf Jr. and Colin Powell employed principles from Sun Tzu related to deception, speed, and striking one's enemy's weak points" Glad you quoted Sun Tzu as I have enjoyed the Art of War myself, but using it in the context of what you have said? Nah....my árseFk I can quote (or at least paraphrase) Sun Tzu all day - try this one! Supreme excellence consists of breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 Now there is no point in me writing about what has happened to us, in some ways it matters not a jot how we got where we are, it has happened. And that to me is why dignified silence will never work. If you cannot be bothered looking at the past and examining why we are in this mess then to me it renders your argument as null and void.Whoosh - how to deliberately miss the point! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malvern 11,329 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Same old type of thread, just different words (in this case hundreds of the feckers!)You lot suckNo you lot doYou lot suck moreNo you lot do morerYou lot suck and are being loud mouthed bulliesNo you lot are just preaching moralsThat about covers it Danger Ranger.Of course the solution could be for the dignified silence advocates to STFU about Dignified Silence and the more vociferous battle advocates to STFU about telling everyone we are getting annoyed and who we are gonna feck over next.Or join the RST and then no more thinking required..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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