Fan Ownership 101 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I'm not picking faults on purpose but one of the main bullet points to bring the fans together should be no more lies, smears and slander against the boardThis has been the main problem for me and fan unity and as far as I can see it's not been addressedOne of the very first points made at the first meeting was that it wasn't pro or anti anybody or anything. It's purely about Rangers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st_Jan_1994 4,868 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 One of the very first points made at the first meeting was that it wasn't pro or anti anybody or anything. It's purely about Rangers.Hmm not convinced that covers what I'm on about as anyone that's done wrong previous can always just claim it's because they believe it's Rangers first then that justifies their actions I'll believe it when I see it tbh the proof will be in the pudding Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Ownership 101 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Hmm not convinced that covers what I'm on about as anyone that's done wrong previous can always just claim it's because they believe it's Rangers first then that justifies their actionsI'll believe it when I see it tbh the proof will be in the puddingThe group will not be campaigning against or for any board of directors.Unfortunately almost everyone online or in the Rangers support has some sort of baggage, we really have to try and draw a line under it and try a fresh beginning on a positive footing and keep a positive approach as it moves forward. Unity will be unachievable otherwise, like you say, and unity is the entire point.The group won't be campaigning alongside Paul Murray, nor will it be campaigning against him. Rangers First. It does exactly as it says on the tin. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st_Jan_1994 4,868 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 The group will not be campaigning against or for any board of directors.Unfortunately almost everyone online or in the Rangers support has some sort of baggage, we really have to try and draw a line under it and try a fresh beginning on a positive footing and keep a positive approach as it moves forward. Unity will be unachievable otherwise, like you say, and unity is the entire point.The group won't be campaigning alongside Paul Murray, nor will it be campaigning against him. Rangers First. It does exactly as it says on the tin.That's encouraging then Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bawsburst 1,381 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 The group will not be campaigning against or for any board of directors.Unfortunately almost everyone online or in the Rangers support has some sort of baggage, we really have to try and draw a line under it and try a fresh beginning on a positive footing and keep a positive approach as it moves forward. Unity will be unachievable otherwise, like you say, and unity is the entire point.The group won't be campaigning alongside Paul Murray, nor will it be campaigning against him. Rangers First. It does exactly as it says on the tin.There should be no line drawn under anything involving the RST until hackergate is fully concluded and the results made public. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianferguson 2,619 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Is this going to be a handwringers wet dream?Cynic or what ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iang2911 423 Posted February 19, 2014 Author Share Posted February 19, 2014 what does (if anything) SDS and Richard stand to make out of this?Kudos. They are making NO money out of this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iang2911 423 Posted February 19, 2014 Author Share Posted February 19, 2014 I'm not picking faults on purpose but one of the main bullet points to bring the fans together should be no more lies, smears and slander against the board This has been the main problem for me and fan unity and as far as I can see it's not been addressedAgreed and I will be championing this point. Very vociferously. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwhiteandblue 3,330 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Agreed and I will be championing this point. Very vociferously.If anyone can join, how will you stop THEM from joining? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st_Jan_1994 4,868 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Cynic or what ?I'll happily admit it But can you Blame me? Every group is apart from vbs and it's killed us Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iang2911 423 Posted February 19, 2014 Author Share Posted February 19, 2014 I'll happily admit it But can you Blame me? Every group is apart from vbs and it's killed usVB are more than welcome to be involved. In fact I don't even know that members aren't already. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iang2911 423 Posted February 19, 2014 Author Share Posted February 19, 2014 If anyone can join, how will you stop THEM from joining?There has been proposed a charter that everyone has to sign up to. Initially that will be monitored by SDS, as an independent, afterwards it will be up to those involved to Monitor. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianferguson 2,619 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I'll happily admit it But can you Blame me? Every group is apart from vbs and it's killed usThere's a solution out there ,if it's not Rangers First then we move on till we find it .We must never give up trying to Unite the BEST fans in the world .If this one does'nt work though we've used the best name up caus RANGERS FIRST says everything for me . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malvern 11,329 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 It's not down to me. It's about the fans who are involved coming to a decision as to how it will move forward, about 80% involved are NOT members of any existing group as far as I know. That can only be a good thing. One thing I will stress though is that SDS and Richard in particular will take no prisoners to make sure this is successful.Best way forward for all of us IMHOThis is the kind of thing that some of us need to hear my friend and if it succeeds and moves us forward we as a supporters group will be forever grateful. I know I have had a pop at RST as an obvious target in this thread but they did to a degree put themselves in the firing line with all this "Fan spokesperson" cr@p they have been drilling out, I am trying to take the meds to calm me of that.If we can get a coordinated group who will speak for the majority with a united voice and listen to all points of view then there is nothing more I will want for xmas ever, it is what we all want.In no way shape or form am I trying to drag this discussion into a verbal joust and if the people involved know there needs to be control and limitations of what is released and endorsed by the group then that satisfies a huge criteria of mine.Apologies to those who quoted me and I did not reply to personally but it would derail the thread further which is not a great thing, I have inadvertently done enough there as it is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nachothelegend 1,932 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I've missed this Thread.Where cam I get more info on this Ian.Malvern has got my Alarm bells going with the Names involved.Cheers mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLawMan 6,240 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 First time I've ever heard you sound like a human being. Well done. You took the words right out of my mouth there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malvern 11,329 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I've missed this Thread.Where cam I get more info on this Ian.Malvern has got my Alarm bells going with the Names involved.Cheers mate.They were there mate, didn't say they were involved. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Rd 2,860 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Bawsburst: have you been hacked? Ian: This IS the way to go and im 100% behind you guys with this, No baggage with this one PPS.........Well said Bawsburst agree with Lawman didnt know you had it in you Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Bob 1,360 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 So every member of this has to make a monthly donation and all money will be used to buy up shares? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumshie 205 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Best of luck to everyone involved. I certainly want to find out more. I can understand people's cynicism but I'm happy to give Rangers First a chance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corky True Legend 2,682 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Have just noticed that Motherwell, one of the examples being lauded by Richard Atkinson, have posted losses of £183.5K. Interpolating their attendances with ours this season, this equates to a loss of some £1.5M. In addition, John Boyle gifted his shares to the group set up by SDS. I do not see our major shareholders doing this. Also, I have googled Atkinson and note that he seems to rely on being co-opted onto boards rather than being elected. there is also little about his background. For example, his education appears to have started at Strathclyde University. No mention of what school he went to. Has he had any dealings with Lawwell, Doncaster or Reagan? Why has he brought all this up now rather than before the AGM? Due to the timing and the fact that he is wanting all this done with other peoples' money, I am afraid that I smell the bheast. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris81 61 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Just subscribed to the mailing list. Look forward to hearing all about it. Hopefully this is a positive move to unite us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetheart 8,458 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Will www.rangersfirst.org provide a clear mandate of what they propose to do, how they will achieve it and how things will be run should they succeed? The last thing Rangers needs is another board/fan group war driving the share price down. That benefits no-one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iang2911 423 Posted February 19, 2014 Author Share Posted February 19, 2014 Have just noticed that Motherwell, one of the examples being lauded by Richard Atkinson, have posted losses of £183.5K. Interpolating their attendances with ours this season, this equates to a loss of some £1.5M. In addition, John Boyle gifted his shares to the group set up by SDS. I do not see our major shareholders doing this. Also, I have googled Atkinson and note that he seems to rely on being co-opted onto boards rather than being elected. there is also little about his background. For example, his education appears to have started at Strathclyde University. No mention of what school he went to. Has he had any dealings with Lawwell, Doncaster or Reagan? Why has he brought all this up now rather than before the AGM? Due to the timing and the fact that he is wanting all this done with other peoples' money, I am afraid that I smell the bheast.SDS were approached by Rangers fans not the other way about. Please wait for the site to go live and see for yourself mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianBacon 2,088 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 So......yet another Rangers fans' group.Bring back the good old days when everybody I met at Ibrox was simply "a Rangers fan"! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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