Viva La Vuvuzela! 13 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 LAST year the mystery blogger account caused a furore among Scottish football fans after leaking tapes and documents about the Ibrox crisis and a judge has ruled some of the information can be used as evidence.A MYSTERY blogger who leaked secret recordings of Craig Whyte and Charles Green on the internet is set to become the focus of a £28million Rangers court case.Last year the Charlotte Fakes Twitter account caused a furore among Scottish football fans after releasing a tranche of tapes and documents about the Ibrox crisis.At the time much of the information could not be covered by newspapers and TV stations because of legal concerns over its source and authenticity.But this week a judge ruled that some of it could be used as evidence in a court case, reigniting interest in Charlotte’s shadowy online world.Rangers’ liquidators BDO are locked in a legal battle with Whyte’s lawyers Collyer Bristow, claiming the law firm was partially responsible for the downfall of the club, and guilty of negligence and breach of trust.Collyer Bristow have denied the allegations.And in a pre-trial hearing held on Monday in London’s Royal Courts of Justice, judge Mr Justice Newey ruled that recordings of Whyte in conversation with others involved in the takeover released by Charlotte Fakes were admissible as evidence.As well as tapes of Whyte discussing his Rangers takeover, the account published a host of highly embarrassing e-mails between the club and their PR advisors, along with documents concerning the club’s finances.In some of the recordings Green and Whyte appear to discuss their plan to carve up control of Ibrox.In one tape thought to have come from Charlotte Fakes, Green says to Whyte: “You are Sevco, that’s what we are saying.”In another, Whyte launches an attack on manager Ally McCoist, saying: “He’s been saved by this process. Disorganised guy. Desk in a total mess with papers from six months ago. He wouldn’t have been there if it weren’t for the admin process.”In yet another recording Rangers’ then finance chief Brian Stockbridge discusses selling £5million of shares in the club to a convicted fraudster on Interpol’s most wanted list.Stockbridge is heard talking to Whyte and the club’s axed commercial director Imran Ahmad about a possible cash injection from Rafat Rizvi, who is being pursued by police.Stockbridge says: “How widely is it known? Rafat’s name is not mentioned anywhere, is it?” Ahmad replies: “No, it is.” Stockbridge says: “You could get a headline saying, you know, ‘Convicted...’”But Ahmad assures Stockbridge “there’s no paper trails” linking Rizvi to Rangers and adds: “There’s no connection.”Stockbridge says: “If someone starts digging in there...”During the discussions, Whyte asks Ahmad: “So Charles and Rafat are closer than you and Rafat?” Ahmad replies: “I’d say the relationship is equal.”Rizvi features on Interpol’s wanted persons list under the name Ali Rafat Rizvi - and has done since 2009.He was sentenced, in absentia, to a 15-year jail term in Indonesia for allegedly stealing from Bank Century, in which he was a shareholder.But Rizvi, a UK national who was born in Pakistan, has been able to live as a free man in London and Singapore as there is no extradition treaty with Indonesia.The Charlotte Fakes leaks- followed by more than 10,000 people online - also targeted Rangers PR man Jack Irvine.In emails he appeared to boast about bullying journalists and he signed one message off, “No surrender”.The account led to a huge online debate, with fans discussing who was behind it and whether the documents were genuine.The blogger seemed to have unlimited access to sensitive print and audio information and many of the audio recordings appeared to have been made by Whyte himself.At the time various theories concerning the source of the leaks ranged from Whyte to Green to a mystery overseas hacker.To this day the true source is not known, despite sustained attempts by many of those written about to establish the blogger’s identity.But there is general consensus that the information was genuine.In court on Monday Cyril Kinsky QC, representing Collyer Bristow, said there were concerns that the recordings may have been illegally obtained, but he claimed that they had been circulated widely on internet forums and so were no longer confidential.Last year Police Scotland said they were investigating the source of the leaks, but Mark Phillips QC, representing BDO, told the court that police last week dropped their objections to the recordings being used as evidence and that Craig Whyte himself had no issue with them being heard.Philips argued that transcripts of the recordings should be partially redacted to remove references to confidential legal advice received by Whyte, and Mr Justice Newey agreed that edited transcripts should be made available.The case is due to be heard next January.http://www.dailyreco...e-fakes-3159443 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st_Jan_1994 4,868 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Is this not old stuff? green has admitted the dealings with Whyte and telling him what he wanted to hear and shafting him out the picture The way rebel is reporting this as if it's new news Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Boring Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viva La Vuvuzela! 13 Posted February 18, 2014 Author Share Posted February 18, 2014 Is this not old stuff? green has admitted the dealings with Whyte and telling him what he wanted to hear and shafting him out the pictureThe way rebel is reporting this as if it's new newsWho's this chap Ali Rizvi? He wasn't even at the club when Ahmad and Charles were there, more nonsense from that rhag? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st_Jan_1994 4,868 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Who's this chap Ali Rizvi? He wasn't even at the club when Ahmad and Charles were there, more nonsense from that rhag?I've heard the name mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Who's this chap Ali Rizvi? He wasn't even at the club when Ahmad and Charles were there, more nonsense from that rhag?Think he was named as one of the original investors, never had any active role Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmcf 34,124 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Is this not old stuff? green has admitted the dealings with Whyte and telling him what he wanted to hear and shafting him out the picture The way rebel is reporting this as if it's new newsIt is old stuff , but I think it's because it's now deemed acceptable enough to be allowed to be used in the court case. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitre_mouldmaster 21,509 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 I've heard the name mateIt is the dodgy guy that Green was rumoured to be getting funding from who was wanted by Interpol. Think it was something to do with Indonesia or something. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viva La Vuvuzela! 13 Posted February 18, 2014 Author Share Posted February 18, 2014 Cheers lads, saw Jack Irvine's name here too, maybe Bawsburst or Mr McCoist can enlighten us further! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st_Jan_1994 4,868 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 It is the dodgy guy that Green was rumoured to be getting funding from who was wanted by Interpol. Think it was something to do with Indonesia or something.Might very well be infactBut was it not proven he wasn't on any wanted lists and it was more mudslinging? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitre_mouldmaster 21,509 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 It is old stuff , but I think it's because it's now deemed acceptable enough to be allowed to be used in the court case.To be honest, too much is being made of the CF stuff. I was guilty of jumping on it yesterday because I took such a roasting at the time of posting about it.None of the CF stuff from after greens takeover will have any impact on the court case, so it will not be evidence, and therefor will most likely be still off limits. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malvern 11,329 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 CF stuff may mention the right names but has very little basis in fact and has been used before and judged on, see no reason to drag this back into the picture again. I can paint a picture of a dinosaur and put CG's name on it, does not make it a picture of CG. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmcf 34,124 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 To be honest, too much is being made of the CF stuff. I was guilty of jumping on it yesterday because I took such a roasting at the time of posting about it.None of the CF stuff from after greens takeover will have any impact on the court case, so it will not be evidence, and therefor will most likely be still off limits.I'd actually be surprised if it is allowed to be used due to the uncertainty surrounding it all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitre_mouldmaster 21,509 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 CF stuff may mention the right names but has very little basis in fact and has been used before and judged on, see no reason to drag this back into the picture again. I can paint a picture of a dinosaur and put CG's name on it, does not make it a picture of CG.Disagree, think the things I read are likely to be genuine.Argument for another day though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bawsburst 1,381 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Cheers lads, saw Jack Irvine's name here too, maybe Bawsburst or Mr McCoist can enlighten us further! FFS The Charlotte Fakes leaks- followed by more than 10,000 people online - also targeted Rangers PR man Jack Irvine.In emails he appeared to boast about bullying journalists and he signed one message off, “No surrender”. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitre_mouldmaster 21,509 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 I'd actually be surprised if it is allowed to be used due to the uncertainty surrounding it all.Who ever disputed that it was real?I never heard one official response from anyone at the club denying it. Their public statement about leaks basically confirmed it was real. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Has fuck all to do with Rangers.oldco shite. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitre_mouldmaster 21,509 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Has fuck all to do with Rangers.oldco shite.Agreed Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nachothelegend 1,932 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Boring again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nachothelegend 1,932 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Has fuck all to do with Rangers.oldco shite.Yep. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malvern 11,329 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Disagree, think the things I read are likely to be genuine.Argument for another day though.A fecking Dinosaur is a Dinosaur, not much to disagree with FFS! :-P Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmcf 34,124 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Who ever disputed that it was real?I never heard one official response from anyone at the club denying it. Their public statement about leaks basically confirmed it was real.Actually meant the uncertainty surrounding who it is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEFTONG 60,087 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ...Regurgatated shite for the mhanks to have a whank over... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viva La Vuvuzela! 13 Posted February 18, 2014 Author Share Posted February 18, 2014 Has fuck all to do with Rangers.oldco shite.Should the club release a statement concerning this or not in that case Gogzy?It feels as though they are continually taking a swipe at the club, with the Rebel and Jackal leading the Witch-hunt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Should the club release a statement concerning this or not in that case Gogzy?It feels as though they are continually taking a swipe at the club, with the Rebel and Jackal leading the Witch-hunt.why would or should the club make statements on oldco business? It has nothing to do with us mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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