The Dude 20,026 Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Don't talk pish it's not the same there's a massive difference between personal choice and starting groups based on smear and lies to encourage others to do the same I've walked into my bus meeting there and the guy that runs the club is not renewing 3 books belonging to the club and writing a letter to Wallace saying it's because of McCoist and the fact that we use the tickets as spares to help others out to games but if McCoist is here these people are going to no go as they can't take it and I don't blame them - it's that simple Ok it's maybe not right but I understand it more than groups trying to poison others minds into starving the club of money That's the difference and it's massive Anyone saying otherwise it's cos it suits them and they are hanging into any last wee bit of defence of MccoistIt is the same. Both are blackmailing the club to suit their 'agenda'. Nothing more, nothing less. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st_Jan_1994 4,868 Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 he probably picked it up and wrapped round his waist because he's not got a clue what to do with that either. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st_Jan_1994 4,868 Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 It is the same. Both are blackmailing the club to suit their 'agenda'. Nothing more, nothing less.It's not the same It's funny how it's you and Inigo saying it - two stubborn McCoist defenders Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Boycotting your season book because of the manager is just as bad as doing it because of the board IMO.there is absolutely no difference.EDIT: and I am no longer backing Ally. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crespie6 334 Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Did you really just post that I want Rangers to go under? From what I posted..Cool story roaster.Some Fucking people...i posted a highly statistical probability of what Ally provides. He costs A LOT of money (that is 100%). He spends A LOT of money (thats 100%). we are not flush with cash (again 100%). what he manages the team to produce on the park is well below sub-standard and we will never provide a challenge to PSFC (probably 80-90%).so take from that what you will. I dont see how that is an option i would want my business to consider, and i dont see us having success with his approach. so whilst i have no illusions that you want Rangers to be back where we belong (as we all do), i dont see how Ally can give us that. And i do think its a huge risk financially keeping him also. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st_Jan_1994 4,868 Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Boycotting your season book because of the manager is just as bad as doing it because of the board IMO.there is absolutely no difference.EDIT: and I am no longer backing Ally.Then your another that can't see the difference between someone getting no enjoyment of going to games and a group starting encouraging others to boycott season tickets based on lies and smears It's absolute night and day Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Then your another that can't see the difference between someone getting no enjoyment of going to games and a group starting encouraging others to boycott season tickets based on lies and smearsIt's absolute night and dayIt's holding your money back because you are not getting your own way. It's the same thing IMO.We will agree to disagree because i cant be arsed going round in circles Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo 32,526 Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Sure it hasSure it hasn't. It's got to do with my taking issue with fans denying the club money we need in one way or another. That's the common part of my issue with GOAT and Senna. I made EXACTLY the same point to him and McCoist had nothing to do with that issue. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redsox1 1,361 Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Then your another that can't see the difference between someone getting no enjoyment of going to games and a group starting encouraging others to boycott season tickets based on lies and smearsIt's absolute night and dayagree 100%. You and others don`t want to renew because McCoist is shite as a manager .Thats a fact.While others are lying to try and get others to not renew.To hurt our club.McCoist and the rhebels are the same in that they both are hurting our club for their own agenda.You are trying to highlight McCoist shite management to help our club. Big difference. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaiser1041 9,088 Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 I wholeheartedly agree that our quality of football is poor and seems aimless with no direction but what are we fans or customers? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCR1 1,501 Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 I'll be renewing because I support Rangers and can afford to do so, but I want Ally and the rest of the importers out, I've had enough Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redsox1 1,361 Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Sure it hasn't. It's got to do with my taking issue with fans denying the club money we need in one way or another. That's the common part of my issue with GOAT and Senna. I made EXACTLY the same point to him and McCoist had nothing to do with that issue.Your only denying McCoist more money to waste. How do you get rid of McCoist then ?I`m sure there is no one deluded enough to think that McCoist is good enough for the job, so why is he still there ?He`s there because the board have been blackmailed so much in the past that they will be apprehensive to do the right thing.They sack him and the Rhebels will give it " look they have sacked a real Rangers man who didn`t walk away "They don`t sack him and they will say the board is weak. Yet another no win situation for the board due to the rhebels. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo 32,526 Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Your only denying McCoist more money to waste. How do you get rid of McCoist then ?I`m sure there is no one deluded enough to think that McCoist is good enough for the job, so why is he still there ?He`s there because the board have been blackmailed so much in the past that they will be apprehensive to do the right thing.They sack him and the Rhebels will give it " look they have sacked a real Rangers man who didn`t walk away "They don`t sack him and they will say the board is weak. Yet another no win situation for the board due to the rhebels.I don't know what you do or hwo you get rid of him if that's what you want. You don't not go or boycott though. We've got 2 reasons for people not to go now. If we don't renew every time we don't get what we want we're fucked. You're not just denying McCoist cash. You're denying the entire club at a time when every penny counts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st_Jan_1994 4,868 Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 I don't know what you do or hwo you get rid of him if that's what you want. You don't not go or boycott though. We've got 2 reasons for people not to go now. If we don't renew every time we don't get what we want we're fucked. You're not just denying McCoist cash. You're denying the entire club at a time when every penny counts.That's desperate logic I do kinda get where you and the dude and Gogzy are coming from but to compare it is wrong as it's a much different scale Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st_Jan_1994 4,868 Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 It's holding your money back because you are not getting your own way. It's the same thing IMO.We will agree to disagree because i cant be arsed going round in circles Do you have a season ticket? Just curious Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Do you have a season ticket? Just curiousI cant afford one. but IF I could, I would be renewing every year regardless of who the manager was, or who was in the boardroom. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamess 3,407 Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Vast majority agree Ally needs to go - the sooner the better.Bottom line - how do we make sure he leaves? Serious question. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo 32,526 Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 That's desperate logicI do kinda get where you and the dude and Gogzy are coming from but to compare it is wrong as it's a much different scaleIt is a different scale, but both deserve to be challenged. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneDavidCooper 2,505 Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 I cant afford one. but IF I could, I would be renewing every year regardless of who the manager was, or who was in the boardroom.Easy to say Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Easy to sayFair point. And it would be easy to do if I could afford it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Easy to sayI hated watching the shite we were subjected to under McLeish but renewed regardless. It was only the fact that I left the country for work that I eventually gave it up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneDavidCooper 2,505 Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 To be fair, I don't think any fucker has the right to challenge another persons decision not to renew or not to buy a season ticket. If you are doing it to make a statement, to protest, because you are bored shitless at games, can't afford it, are too tight fisted, prefer hillwalking, visiting the poor, are gay, angry about homophobic supporters, will only buy one when we have gay players, won't buy one because we might already have gay players, are an alien from space, prefer sheep shagging, then its up to you. I aint fucking bothered. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneDavidCooper 2,505 Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 I hated watching the shite we were subjected to under McLeish but renewed regardless. It was only the fact that I left the country for work that I eventually gave it up.so what though? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza27 15,281 Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Take it you will be leaving the forum as well then?Hope so Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BraveheartGordon 77 Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 If enough people dont renew they'll shut the doors on Ibrox,regardless of the reasoning;they wont have time to sack McCoist,that is the cold hard reality. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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