WadeWilson 4,670 Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 I'd fucking love if Messi was given 2/3 months off now. For Barca to be successful they should.He needs a break. There is no doubt that to play like he does all year round takes it out of you. It really must. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemdog 39,389 Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 People say Messi had a better team round him. This is because of the arrogance of the post-92 Premiership fans.Guys like Valdano and Burruchaga and Batista were legends. If Messi's Argentina had players with this ability and mentality, they would have won it.Mascherano and Zabaleta notwithstanding, the rest of them under-performed massively.Aguero may be big in Manchester... but he did nothing in this tournament. Same with Higuain. I think they buckled under the pressure. Messi did not... but no man can win a world cup single-handed. No man. Not even El Diego.You missed out Ortega. Also, I think it's slightly harsh on Aguero, he's a fantastic footballer. The only thing is he is far too injury prone and clearly was nowhere near fit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKingObv 10,639 Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 If Argentina had a Veron, or a Pastore at supposed potential they probably would have won.Their midfield bar Masch is embarrassing Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WadeWilson 4,670 Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 You missed out Ortega. Also, I think it's slightly harsh on Aguero, he's a fantastic footballer. The only thing is he is far too injury prone and clearly was nowhere near fit.Ortega?? Why should I mention him? I was comparing the class of 1986 and 2014. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemdog 39,389 Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Ortega?? Why should I mention him? I was comparing the class of 1986 and 2014.Ignore me. Point still stands for Aguero though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WadeWilson 4,670 Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 If Argentina had a Veron, or a Pastore at supposed potential they probably would have won.Their midfield bar Masch is embarrassingI would agree with this, man. An unbelievable opportunity lost. Once Di Maria was out of form and then injured, it was done and dusted. No attacking intent when you play breaker-uppers like Biglia beside Masch. Gago was disappointing and, like we said before, Pastoré could have made a difference. Banega would have just been a sitting passer too. Only Pastoré could have done it. He is the closest to Verón and Riquelmé that we have.Mascherano is immense and he can pass all day long... but he doesn't have a killer pass like the guys you mentioned.The whole world cup Messi had to drop back to get the ball... Perhaps this is what he wants. But Argentina don't have a Xavi. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemdog 39,389 Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 If Argentina had a Veron, or a Pastore at supposed potential they probably would have won.Their midfield bar Masch is embarrassingHonestly, I think they just needed their players to be in better form. You don't need to ask questions of their defence, their only in form player was Mascherano. If you get Messi, Lavezzi, Higuain, Di Maria & Aguero giving you an 8/10 every game they probably would have won. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WadeWilson 4,670 Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Ignore me. Point still stands for Aguero though.You would stick your neck out for Aguero above Messi? Aguero was disgracefully bad, as was Higuain. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WadeWilson 4,670 Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Honestly, I think they just needed their players to be in better form.You don't need to ask questions of their defence, their only in form player was Mascherano. If you get Messi, Lavezzi, Higuain, Di Maria & Aguero giving you an 8/10 every game they probably would have won.Okay, I agree. The defence and keeper over-performed, you are right about that, for sure. Messi was still easily the best attacking player. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKingObv 10,639 Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Aye fair enough.Though it's hard for an attack to operate without a decent playmaking CM. They had none at all which is strange.Ps half cut on a bus down to London if my posts get gradually worse Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemdog 39,389 Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 You would stick your neck out for Aguero above Messi? Aguero was disgracefully bad, as was Higuain.Aguero is a good player, that's my point. Nothing to do with Messi, he was clearly unfit hence why I said it was harsh. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WadeWilson 4,670 Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Deustchland had a better team with most of the squad performing at 7 or 8/10. They deserved it. End of. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKingObv 10,639 Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 I would agree with this, man. An unbelievable opportunity lost. Once Di Maria was out of form and then injured, it was done and dusted. No attacking intent when you play breaker-uppers like Biglia beside Masch. Gago was disappointing and, like we said before, Pastoré could have made a difference. Banega would have just been a sitting passer too. Only Pastoré could have done it. He is the closest to Verón and Riquelmé that we have.Mascherano is immense and he can pass all day long... but he doesn't have a killer pass like the guys you mentioned.The whole world cup Messi had to drop back to get the ball... Perhaps this is what he wants. But Argentina don't have a Xavi. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WadeWilson 4,670 Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Aye fair enough.Though it's hard for an attack to operate without a decent playmaking CM. They had none at all which is strange.Ps half cut on a bus down to London if my posts get gradually worseYou're spot on, mate. Whether Sabella could have took them to a final with a playmaker in the centre is a different matter. I think they done the best they could but three of the Fantastic Four from qualifying just never showed up.... As ever on these shores, Messi gets it tight for the supporting cast of Aguero, Higuain and Di Maria being shite. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WadeWilson 4,670 Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Why are the English pundits saying it is Germany's first-ever world cup? Deary me... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the goal machine 7,801 Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Really enjoyed the final. Argentina were really dangerous on the counter-attack and Messi and Higuain should have scored their chances but Germany were worthy winners. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemdog 39,389 Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Just found this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4UT_kEGZH8&feature=kpA huge childhood memory, one of my most over played VHS's. denya 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKingObv 10,639 Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Palacios' was the easiest of the lot IMO. Just a case of putting it over a keep and that's all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
denya 1,661 Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Higuain and Palacio should have buried their chances. Argentina missed Di Maria alot too. Germany did deserve the win overall though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluemc 305 Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Scolari sacked, no suprise there then Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gers1690 194 Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Germany deserved to win - they have been incredible throughout the whole tournament, and slaughtering Brazil 7-1 alone was reason enough for the virtually the whole world to cheer them on in the final.Deutschland in Dreamland! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gers1690 194 Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Why are the English pundits saying it is Germany's first-ever world cup? Deary me...It's their first ever world cup as a Unified Country - but the Federal Republic of Germany have won the World Cup 4 times. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSuedeSambas 53,775 Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Tim Vickery is a brilliant journalist. I would pay to hear him and Marcotti.They really know their stuff.I think Marcotti is a bit patronising and sarcastic sometimes. There's occasions when he has made me want to turn off The Game podcast because he's so insufferable.Vickery is though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.E.C. 18,750 Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 How long has Vickery worked in South America? first time I really took notice of him. Heard him a few times on the radio. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBluenose1972 1,405 Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 It's their first ever world cup as a Unified Country - but the Federal Republic of Germany have won the World Cup 4 times.The guy is an arse it was said many times that was the case...He's just looking for attention as he's gutted his beloved scumbag of a nation lost. Inigo 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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