PLG Supporters?

[loyalandtrueblue 69]

Right here is the chance for all the backers and supporters of PLG and his backroom staff, to enlighten us as to why you would want to give him more time to get things right and also which part of his managerial make up do you admire?

I really am at a loss as to his managerial skills and would be grateful for some enlightenment as to what i'm missing?

So please explain why you don't think he should go?

[nvager 498]

Great post - my bet is that he still needs time is the main answer coupled with lets see what he does in January transfer market.

Cannot think of ANY other excuse.

[Canadaready 9,437]

Great post - my bet is that he still needs time is the main answer coupled with lets see what he does in January transfer market.

Cannot think of ANY other excuse.

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[BlueIsTheColour 35]

I am NOT a PLG supporter and am quite frankly P1SSED OFF with the current situation. But he won't go before we see what he does in January. He has a last chance to prove he can be a successsful manager however unliely that may sound. A couple of great signings in January who suit Scottish football and he might well get us second place and maybe earn himself another year. But if his signings are as bad as the last ones and things don't improve then come the end of the season it will AU REVOIR PLG. Who we bring in is another debate for another time but at the moment that is how i see it.

[livi_true_blue 0]

i know its hard to keep faith but i think plg will turn it around lets see what happens in the window

[stuartmccallsfall 4]

No PLG supporters can answer the question. I doubt his name will ever be chanted at Ibrox, how bad is that ?

[The_Lion_Roars 0]

i know its hard to keep faith but i think plg will turn it around lets see what happens in the window

like he did in the summer with the almighty sebo

[adamcs 1]

tbh I'm more pissed off with the players than I am with PLG. Infact I'm more pissed off with Murray than I am with PLG..

The players just don't look as if they're upto it, even the ones that were here before PLG. People moan about PLG not being able to motivate them.. but the fact is they're all grown men on massive weekly wages and they should be able to motivate themselves. If they're not interested in playing for the club and giving 100% EVERY week, then they shouldn't be here.

Murray also pisses me off because he has no ambition whatsoever. He brings in one of Europe's best managers and gives him ?3m to spend on new players. One word - pathetic. It doesn't matter how well he trains these players or what tactics he uses etc.. sometimes the players simply aren't good enough. ?3m was never going to be enough.. Murray should have known that. I know PLG should get some of the blame too.. they were his transfer targets afterall, but even if he had gone for more effective players I doubt ?3m would have been enough to make a serious challenge for the title.

The problems start right at the top I'm afraid. Murray needs change by giving PLG a DECENT transfer budget, and if things still haven't changed.. THEN we can start looking at the manager.

If Murray isn't willing to give him decent money (by decent money I mean at least ?6m or ?7m) then PLG should go in January, because he's clearly not that type of manager. He needs money.

[thebiggerfella 0]

If you look at his history then it was the same at Lyon in his first 6 months, the fans were calling for him to go and he just managed to get through the initial season there,but 3 seasons later the fans signed a petition to try to get him to stay!

I am as pissed as anyone about the current situation, i was at Inverness and it was one of the worst ever, but he is trying to implement a system, and it seems the players we have are simply not good enough to make it work. We must give him a season, then if things are no better we change.

[Scott-RFC 308]

I think most would say that 3million wasnt enough and that PLG had to spread his recources too thinly

[loyalandtrueblue 69]

tbh I'm more pissed off with the players than I am with PLG. Infact I'm more pissed off with Murray than I am with PLG..

The players just don't look as if they're upto it, even the ones that were here before PLG. People moan about PLG not being able to motivate them.. but the fact is they're all grown men on massive weekly wages and they should be able to motivate themselves. If they're not interested in playing for the club and giving 100% EVERY week, then they shouldn't be here.

Murray also pisses me off because he has no ambition whatsoever. He brings in one of Europe's best managers and gives him ?3m to spend on new players. One word - pathetic. It doesn't matter how well he trains these players or what tactics he uses etc.. sometimes the players simply aren't good enough. ?3m was never going to be enough.. Murray should have known that. I know PLG should get some of the blame too.. they were his transfer targets afterall, but even if he had gone for more effective players I doubt ?3m would have been enough to make a serious challenge for the title.

The problems start right at the top I'm afraid. Murray needs change by giving PLG a DECENT transfer budget, and if things still haven't changed.. THEN we can start looking at the manager.

If Murray isn't willing to give him decent money (by decent money I mean at least ?6m or ?7m) then PLG should go in January, because he's clearly not that type of manager. He needs money.

I can't agree with you about the players for a number of reasons.

Firstly,and i'm sure that anyone here who has played football at any level, or any other team sport,will tell you that if the manager is unapproachable,gets the tactics wrong, even when you offer advice it gets dismissed and you get humiliated in front of your team mates because of it, team spirit and respect for the manager quickly disappears and that shows on the pitch at any level.

Secondly if you are a mediocre player then because you sign for a big club doesn't make you a better player because of that.

They can only do what they are capable of.

Even then, if the tactics are wrong and the formation is changed almost every week and wrong team selections are made almost as frequently then that too adds to the players problems as it can get to the stage that it is confusing and makes the mediocre and good players look worse!!

As for the monetary value of players is rocky ground as you can't say that ICT and StMirren and every other team apart from the Smelltic, spent more than us?yet for a fraction of the cost they produce displays to take points off of us!

Why?

It is down to tactics and team selections and formations!and they are all made by the manager with help from the coaching staff.

Even then they acknowledge the importance of the role of team captain on the park.

So no Sir David Murray will not solve this problem by throwing money at it.

After all how much value has PLG brought to the club with the money he's had so to give him even more would be a foolish solution as we might as well burn it!

[adamcs 1]

People (the majority, certainly) were moaning at him for ages for not using 4-4-2, and now that he finally IS using it it clearly isn't solving many problems. He used the same tactics and formations against Celtic/Aberdeen/Hibs as he did against St. Mirren and Inverness, yet look at the difference in the performances.

The problem is attitude/motivation. When you look at yesterday's performance and the performance against Inverness, I think that's pretty damn obvious... yesterday there was no desire/no passion/no hunger. All of that was present against Celtic/Hibs/Aberdeen.

Nothing to do with tactics.

[nvager 498]

Its up to the manager to motivate the players and that has not happened often enough.

Also teams in the lower 6 play a more defensive, closed system against us and PLG should change his tactics, formation accordingly. He obviously does not do that.

He also buys Duds. Mismanages players. Poor PR.

What are his good points?

Frankly I just do not see any to date.

Sorry, but I see him like the other French managers in the EPL who were likable, had good CVs but failed to bring success.

[adamcs 1]

...Its up to the manager to motivate the players and that has not happened often enough...

It's utpo the players aswell, not just the manager. For ?5-10k a week I'm sure most of us could motivate ourselves to give 100% in our jobs. The players need to be a hell of a lot more responsible.

As for PLG buying duds.. I'm still not sure about this. Same thing was said about Eck.. and I wasn't sure then either. Methinks Bain/Murray have a bigger say in who our transfer targets are than perhaps we think. I've suspected this for a long time.. especially since FanFan came out and said that he "didn't know" who signed him. Could just be Bain/Murray trying to save a few quid.. but that's just what I think. Meh.

[loyalandtrueblue 69]

Are there still PLG backers out there now?

[adamcs 1]

If today's reports are true then I want him out. But I still don't see a new manager making much difference in terms of results.. the players still won't be good enough and he will need a decent budget to turn things around.

[Smurf1873 0]

I am NOT a PLG supporter and am quite frankly P1SSED OFF with the current situation. But he won't go before we see what he does in January. He has a last chance to prove he can be a successsful manager however unliely that may sound. A couple of great signings in January who suit Scottish football and he might well get us second place and maybe earn himself another year. But if his signings are as bad as the last ones and things don't improve then come the end of the season it will AU REVOIR PLG. Who we bring in is another debate for another time but at the moment that is how i see it.

"might get us second place" - this shows how far we have sunk !!

[delparlane 5,977]

tbh I'm more pissed off with the players than I am with PLG. Infact I'm more pissed off with Murray than I am with PLG..

The players just don't look as if they're upto it, even the ones that were here before PLG. People moan about PLG not being able to motivate them.. but the fact is they're all grown men on massive weekly wages and they should be able to motivate themselves. If they're not interested in playing for the club and giving 100% EVERY week, then they shouldn't be here.

Murray also pisses me off because he has no ambition whatsoever. He brings in one of Europe's best managers and gives him ?3m to spend on new players. One word - pathetic. It doesn't matter how well he trains these players or what tactics he uses etc.. sometimes the players simply aren't good enough. ?3m was never going to be enough.. Murray should have known that. I know PLG should get some of the blame too.. they were his transfer targets afterall, but even if he had gone for more effective players I doubt ?3m would have been enough to make a serious challenge for the title.

The problems start right at the top I'm afraid. Murray needs change by giving PLG a DECENT transfer budget, and if things still haven't changed.. THEN we can start looking at the manager.

If Murray isn't willing to give him decent money (by decent money I mean at least ?6m or ?7m) then PLG should go in January, because he's clearly not that type of manager. He needs money.

You make a valid point about players' self-motivation, but the trouble with this is that Bazza was one of the only players out there to give his all in every game. Giving him the boot makes no sense what-so-ever.