terry739 267 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 See, I don't know what to think about just singing the proper version. I'm probably preaching to the choir here but I don't ever think the use of the word "fenian" was the problem. I think the fact that it was a proper anthem that got the whole fan base rocking was the issue, disguised behind the modern impenetrable, unquestionable concern about sectarianism. If we changed the words so that they couldn't complain then we'd still have the anthem back, the crowd singing and there's nothing they could do about it. Just in the same way that Simply the Best has been demonised. Fair enough there were additions but I'm sure if "F**k Buddha and Islamic State" were added nobody would complain. I just think that in this day and age you just can't get away with anything and the nappy rippers are still trying to perpetuate the myth whenever they can that we're demon spawn because of certain songs. So if we take the "bad" words out of certain songs they'll just have to sit there and listen to us being the best fans with nothing to hide their complaint behind. In total agreement with your first part re the fact that it was THE anthem!! Just look at the reaction and complaints about "Penny Arcade" when we started to sing it! - anything which has us acting as one and really getting behind the team! Anyway.."Rebel Scum" (quite appropriate in my mind actually!) instead of "Fenian Blood" would do...but it only takes 1 to sing Fenian Blood and it's all over the press and the club is in the shit again and fined thanks to us! Never Forgive Never Forget Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMotor 2,208 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 It needs to come back.I can understand those against removing "fenian" from it as an objection to the re-definition of the word but we need to acknowledge that battle, as far as the club goes, is over. When Murray and the club surrendered that ground, it was all over.We shouldn't allow the loss of that one battle to deprive us of the best anthem in football. Fight against further manipulation, absolutely, but get the song back. Nothing else comes close. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElBufalo20 8,160 Posted August 25, 2015 Author Share Posted August 25, 2015 It needs to come back.I can understand those against removing "fenian" from it as an objection to the re-definition of the word but we need to acknowledge that battle, as far as the club goes, is over. When Murray and the club surrendered that ground, it was all over.We shouldn't allow the loss of that one battle to deprive us of the best anthem in football. Fight against further manipulation, absolutely, but get the song back. Nothing else comes close.That's why the club should reintroduce the version I posted with follow follow. Can sing a clean version and once it's re established can go back to normal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briton 394 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 'Silverware' would be better than 'big trophies'. Still a bit naff but the latter is stupid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonus 275 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Was sung briefly at Ayr usually get away with it at away games the stewards were walking past smiling Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,526 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Unfortunately to tune is enough to send every journalist in Scotland into a excited frenzy. The words are actually irrelevant now. The onus would be on you to prove you didn't sing the "offending" words in court. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeIsBlue 66,818 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 The proper version or fuck all,enough of this "we are the rangers boys" pish. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Would need to come from the club and the exact words sorted. Would've been great hear it on Sunday. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Nosed Babe 21,434 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 It can't come back as some will sing the illegal version and we will be in the shit for it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BL11 33 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 What chance we got when folk can't even sing the right words to 'Follow Follow' without the silly add-ons.Until the non-hand-wringers learn that society has moved on and the 70's aren't coming back then the Billy Boys won't be coming back any time soon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeIsBlue 66,818 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 It can't come back as some will sing the illegal version and we will be in the shit for it.I know you work in the law but is there anything out there that says the song is 100% banned?I've still to see any evidence of it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeIsBlue 66,818 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 What chance we got when folk can't even sing the right words to 'Follow Follow' without the silly add-ons.Until the non-hand-wringers learn that society has moved on and the 70's aren't coming back then the Billy Boys won't be coming back any time soon.Handwringer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spuddy Zelda 64 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 If the "ultras" agree on appropriate wording and stick to the words then the rest of the support will follow suit I'm sure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferris Bueller 1,569 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 This needs forgotton about, its banned plain a simple, if its sung we get hammered!Only way it can come back is the offending words are removed and the fans accept and sing that version, which will never happen! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeIsBlue 66,818 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 This needs forgotton about, its banned plain a simple, if its sung we get hammered!Only way it can come back is the offending words are removed and the fans accept and sing that version, which will never happen!Prove it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz52 11,837 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 It's strange as the bheats can sing Roll Of Honour & Boys Of The Old Brigade every game and nothing gets said but if we sing a song that's contains only one 'offensive' word there's a chance of 5 years in the slammer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDak 851 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 I know you work in the law but is there anything out there that says the song is 100% banned?I've still to see any evidence of it. The Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications Act 2012.There is nothing in law literally stating TBB is banned but read sections 1 to 4 of the Act and you'll see TBB will easily be included in that. I tried to copy and paste the sections but it's a mess so you'll have to follow this link:http://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2012/1/section/1/enacted Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeIsBlue 66,818 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 The Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications Act 2012.There is nothing in law literally stating TBB is banned but read sections 1 to 4 of the Act and you'll see TBB will easily be included in that. I tried to copy and paste the sections but it's a mess so you'll have to follow this link:http://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2012/1/section/1/enactedexpressing or inciting religious, racial or other forms of hatred;threatening or offensive behaviour;will also cover behaviour of players and managers;applies at, on the way to or from a "regulated football match", which includes league, European and international matches involving Scottish teams;"regulated football match" based on football banning orders (FBO) legislation, which means an FBO will be available in every case.also covers anywhere a match is being broadcast, except domestic property.Covers a wide range of behaviours with appropriate relevant penalties ranging from fixed penalty notices (£40) and Community Payback Orders to an unlimited fine and 5 years in prison. Which religion does a fenian belong to? Going by that "law" anybody at a football game who stands up and shouts at a referee should get the jail as it's "threatening" behaviour. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Widow's Son 399 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Always enjoyed a rousing chorus of same when I was a young buck in most cases full of cheap drink. However, the more seasoned and sober man I am does not feel too comfortable with this ditty and I would not sing it. Still, it is part of our history. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougie76 15,457 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Time to bring it back, no more bending over to appease the terriorists lovers in this country. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferris Bueller 1,569 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Prove it.See below, have never seen anything from the club removing the part specifically about the 'billy boys' being prohibited.Sweetheart on Rangerschat, into the history and banning of the 'Billy Boys' song. The whole article is worth a read.http://www.rangersch...-Billy-Boys.htmJoint Supporter/Club Statement Banning The Billy Boys Song From The Club9 Jun 2006 08:36:49 -0700AT the request of a cross-section of Rangers Supporters, a meeting washeld last night with Chairman, David Murray and Chief Executive, MartinBain to discuss what the fans can collectively do to assist the Club intheir ongoing efforts to silence the Sectarian minority who continue todamage the Club's reputation.A positive debate was held at Murray Park and all parties are united ina bid to silence the minority that continue to tarnish the reputationof Rangers Football Club. It was obvious from last night's meeting thatthe recent fines imposed by UEFA and the associated press coverage hasbeen detrimental to the Club and to the individuals who genuinelysupport Rangers for its football and true values.It has been agreedbetween members of the Club's Board and representatives of the fan basethat in the coming weeks this joint committee will do everything intheir power to ensure that the Club does not breach the UEFA directivesand implore upon the fans that self policing among the support is keyto avoid sanctions being imposed or expulsion from European competitionaltogether.David Murray commented: "These supporters groups represented should beapplauded for coming forward in recognition of the importance of thisissue. I am delighted at the progress we made last night."Over the lasttwo years the Club has strived fervently under the banner of Pride overPrejudice working with the authorities to impose indefinite andlifetime bans. "I look forward in the coming weeks to implementing someof the actions that were discussed.It is absolutely clear to allconcerned that all Supporters need to commit to silencing theminority."This meeting coincidently coincided with UEFA's writtengrounds for the decision rendered by the Appeal Body in relation toRangers two Champions League matches against Villarreal.UEFA have issued the Club with certain directives in order to combatsectarianism more efficiently.Firstly the Club has been 'ordered toannounce measurable targets in order to reduce sectarian behaviouramongst its supporters'.Secondly 'to control their anti-sectarianactivities by producing comprehensive statistics that are communicatedto the public'.Finally 'to make a public address announcement at every officialfixture, be it international or domestic, stating that any sectarianchanting and any form of 'Billy Boys' songs is strictly prohibited.'David Edgar of the Rangers Supporters Trust, Mark Dingwall of FollowFollow and Jim Templeton of the Rangers Supporters Assembly jointlyagreed the following Statement:"The message now could not be clearerthat the spotlight is upon the Supporters and the Club and it is theirduty to work together to stamp out the minority who are damaging thereputations of all those connected with Rangers Football Club."Not onlydoes this small minority tarnish the reputation of Rangers, but ofScottish football and our society in general and hopefully anyone whois interested in Scottish football will work with us in assisting toeradicate this behaviour."Supporter RepresentativesJim Templeton Assembly PresidentAlex Milree Chairman of the Scottish Alliance DelegatesMark Dingwall Follow Follow/ Rangers Supporters TrustJames Carlin The Blue OrderSimon Leslie The Blue OrderTam Green Lanarkshire Supporters RepresentativeDavid Edgar Rangers Supporters Trust, Media SpokespersonRoss Blyth Fife and District supporters club representativeMalcolm McNiven Rangers Supporters Trust, Chairmanhttp://newsgroups.de...6/msg00033.htm Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeIsBlue 66,818 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Finally 'to make a public address announcement at every officialfixture, be it international or domestic, stating that any sectarianchanting and any form of 'Billy Boys' songs is strictly prohibited.'So when did this happen? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianferguson 2,619 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 http://youtu.be/bRyMt_vE99oI know this has been done to death in here. However with feel good factor packed stadiums think this is the perfect way to introduce it back in to Ibrox.This is a brilliant version of the 2 greatest songs. Should be played over the tannoy before games.Sung by John Reid of the nightcrawlers (push the feeling) and writer of many hits, i went to Crookston castle school and played in same team as John alongside Billy Davies and Dave McPherson.Highlight of that was a 3_0 victory over Tommy Coynes Lourdes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDak 851 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 expressing or inciting religious, racial or other forms of hatred;threatening or offensive behaviour;will also cover behaviour of players and managers;applies at, on the way to or from a "regulated football match", which includes league, European and international matches involving Scottish teams;"regulated football match" based on football banning orders (FBO) legislation, which means an FBO will be available in every case.also covers anywhere a match is being broadcast, except domestic property.Covers a wide range of behaviours with appropriate relevant penalties ranging from fixed penalty notices (£40) and Community Payback Orders to an unlimited fine and 5 years in prison. Which religion does a fenian belong to? Going by that "law" anybody at a football game who stands up and shouts at a referee should get the jail as it's "threatening" behaviour.Exactly, that's part of the controversy with this legislation. It's also why BotP is such a bullshit law.They're just catch all pieces of law that are so broad people should actually challenge them through the courts, but we don't.Fenian doesn't belong to a religious group but I think it cold be argued that it belongs to a cultural group. See sub Section 1(2) of said Act:"The behaviour is—(a)expressing hatred of, or stirring up hatred against, a group of persons based on their membership (or presumed membership) of—(i)a religious group,(ii)a social or cultural group with a perceived religious affiliation,(iii)a group defined by reference to a thing mentioned in subsection (4)," It's the "perceived" bit that catches it and could cynically be argued to be included especially to catch TBB. While it can be said that a fenian was originally a reference to an Irish republican (not a Cafflic) I'm sure the definition does go on to mention something about "especially a Catholic". It would probably also be argued that "the man on the street, or modern connotations" of the word understand it to refer also to a Catholic. I'm not saying I agree with this stuff but until the law is changed singing songs with the word "fenian" in them will bring a charge. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferris Bueller 1,569 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 So when did this happen?An announcement about any sectarian singing etc. is made at every home game. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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