False Optimism

[snoopyboymason 13]

if plg was backed properly he would have made us great and got rid of all the underachivers

Who's to say he never got backed properly by the board? The fans wants instant success but he failed, if he stuck to his guns and never left, he could try and prove the fans wrong for slating him but like most French folk, arrogance, ignorance and his stubborness over wanting out (after seeing ParisSG wanting a new manager).

And..

if

Like it states.. it's a BIG IF. All we can do now in regards to PLG is speculate on what might of happened, nothing less, nothing more. He could have an excellent amount of success elsewhere, but it will never change the fact he failed here.

i'm saying he never got backed properly neither is walter

David Murray is a Business Man. All he is wanting is the Gers to be financially secure and to sell his share. Until then NO manager will get sufficient funds unless we are making profits. Doesn't mean they aren't backed properly in the other departments.

where's all the money gone all the jjb,joe lewis,enic dave king etc plus the season ticket money every year

Go speak to the finance department of the club and not me. I don't fucking know.

great reply you still think their backed properly

Well, personally i have no clue and doubt i'll ever know if they are but why would PLG and WS (for a second time) come if they knew they wouldn't be backed properly?

maybe they were lied to

[Guest Euronymous]

if plg was backed properly he would have made us great and got rid of all the underachivers

Who's to say he never got backed properly by the board? The fans wants instant success but he failed, if he stuck to his guns and never left, he could try and prove the fans wrong for slating him but like most French folk, arrogance, ignorance and his stubborness over wanting out (after seeing ParisSG wanting a new manager).

And..

if

Like it states.. it's a BIG IF. All we can do now in regards to PLG is speculate on what might of happened, nothing less, nothing more. He could have an excellent amount of success elsewhere, but it will never change the fact he failed here.

i'm saying he never got backed properly neither is walter

David Murray is a Business Man. All he is wanting is the Gers to be financially secure and to sell his share. Until then NO manager will get sufficient funds unless we are making profits. Doesn't mean they aren't backed properly in the other departments.

where's all the money gone all the jjb,joe lewis,enic dave king etc plus the season ticket money every year

Go speak to the finance department of the club and not me. I don't fucking know.

great reply you still think their backed properly

Well, personally i have no clue and doubt i'll ever know if they are but why would PLG and WS (for a second time) come if they knew they wouldn't be backed properly?

maybe they were lied to

That's a possibility i suppose.

[Davy 68]

PLG... The best Manager Rangers will probably ever have.

Aww, come on mate ?

[the goal machine 7,791]

PLG might've indeed been one of the best managers in the world; he sure didn't show it at Ibrox and that had nothing to do with spending cash.

As I recall, he suggested he was happy with what he had, and there was no need to spend further!

At Lyon, the Director of football brings in players, hence why PLG's signings were flops.

PLG - Pathetic Little Git

Thanks for your input...

PLG... The best Manager Rangers will probably ever have.

Just a pity, he wasnt fully backed and allowed to do what he wanted to do.

He will go down as a failure, But i'm sure he can live with that.

Good Managers cant transform bad players into world beaters.......

He shouldn't have signed them then.

PLG... The best Manager Rangers will probably ever have.

Thats a bit far. Struth, Smith, Souness etc

[rfc_no1fan 13]

PLG - Regarded as one of the best young and upcoming Managers in the World.... Mourinho, Wenger, Ferguson etc rate him so highly.

Souness - Took over Rangers at a time when money was no object, Rangers were the Chelsea of Britain and English teams were banned in Europe. Doesnt take a rocket scientiest to figure out how he won the league.

Souness done nothing in England, Been sacked twice and noone rates him. Poor reputation

Walter - Carried on a very successful team, was backed all the way by SDM. Spent barrels loads as Celtic were in crisis. Made some mistakes, But couldnt have lost the league with the quality we had.

Walter failed in England and hasnt won anything since he came back. Football has been dire and the signings are uninspiring

Plg has the best reputation, We will never attract a manager of his calibre again. We failed as a club to back him and now we have to deal with the consequences. Its back to basics and years of mediocricy

[Emerson 2]

PLG had us dumped out of the CIS cup and in the process saw us beaten for the first time by a lower division club and had us 20 points behind Celtic by Xmas. It doesnt matter how much you sugar coat that, he showed absolutely nothing in terms of his credentials with regards to our domestic game, and it looked as though it would have got a whole lot worse before it got any better. He knew himself that week by week his reputation was being destroyed and him being shown up for what he really is as he struggled to beat the likes of Falkirk and ICT. If he was the last chance that we will see a manager of that calibre at our club then good riddance I say.

[MrKracklite 0]

I think like a lot of bears I struggle to accept the failure of PLG.this guy was,and still is,rated as one of the best prospects in the European game and lets be honest-how many fans thought he would be a flop?I was delighted when he arrived and thought the club was really going places.......................ahh well,put it down to experience.After a quarter of the season had passed I cant ever remember being as depressed!

As for the question of optimism-yeah its maybe misplaced but who really wants to think that the club are just marking time?Given the lack of signings,QUALITY signings,it looks like that but you never know-the window hasnt closed yet and I,m sure walter will have his plans well advanced.I hope he has anyway.Well,there are two alternatives-give in to the general gloom or say "F*ck that-C,MON THE GERS!"I,ll go for the latter :-)

[docspiderman 1,219]

if plg was backed properly he would have made us great and got rid of all the underachivers

This was the man who asked the press how he could get results,the man who sat rocking back and forward in the dug out, the man who thought Svensson, Sebo etc had talent.

[disgruntled_bear 157]

I've been reading a lot of posts on the forum over the last couple of weeks and there seems to be a lot of optimism within the fans, With regards to Rangers winning the SPL Title.

Bit of realism is needed..... Rangers signings so far, Do not even put us on a level playing field with Celtic, Never mind have the ability to form a gap and go on to win the SPL Title.

Our main signing is Jean Claude Darcheville..... A player that wasnt good enough for Rangers 3 seasons ago, when Alex McLeish made an approach, But is now the man who is going to lead our strikeforce..... I just dont get it?! What has changed in the last 3 seasons, That has made him turn from a bad signing into a good one?

Then we have people going on about Thomas Buffel.... We have been waiting on Thomas Buffel to do something for the last 2 and a half seasons. Whats different about this year? He's just not suitable for the SPL and building him up every preseason, Just sets us fans up for a fall, which in turn leads to disappointment.

Then we have Graeme Smith, Alan Gow and Kirk Broadfoot...... Who will all be bit part players for Ranger next season. Alan Gow inparticular is a confidence player, and if he finds himself on the bench most weeks he will be as effective as a chocolate fire guard.

The only player who potentielly adds something different is Da Marcus Beasley...... Will he settle quickly?! Will he be an asset in the SPL?! or will he be another player who comes to Rangers excected to perform and fails to deliver.

Our squad hasnt even been bolstered and our team is still weak....... There will be no big difference next season unless money is released.

Smith in - Klos out

Broadfoot in - Svensson out

Da Marcus Beasley in - Rae out

Darchville in - Prso out

Gow in - Sionko out (Sooner rather than later)

Total money spend = £ 0

Yep there is'nt any difference we are still poor.... infact the way we are the now we are a JOKE, The real Question is who's to blame is it Really SDM fault or our own, for putting up with it for so long ?

[THEFISH 0]

I've been reading a lot of posts on the forum over the last couple of weeks and there seems to be a lot of optimism within the fans, With regards to Rangers winning the SPL Title.

Bit of realism is needed..... Rangers signings so far, Do not even put us on a level playing field with Celtic, Never mind have the ability to form a gap and go on to win the SPL Title.

Our main signing is Jean Claude Darcheville..... A player that wasnt good enough for Rangers 3 seasons ago, when Alex McLeish made an approach, But is now the man who is going to lead our strikeforce..... I just dont get it?! What has changed in the last 3 seasons, That has made him turn from a bad signing into a good one?

Then we have people going on about Thomas Buffel.... We have been waiting on Thomas Buffel to do something for the last 2 and a half seasons. Whats different about this year? He's just not suitable for the SPL and building him up every preseason, Just sets us fans up for a fall, which in turn leads to disappointment.

Then we have Graeme Smith, Alan Gow and Kirk Broadfoot...... Who will all be bit part players for Ranger next season. Alan Gow inparticular is a confidence player, and if he finds himself on the bench most weeks he will be as effective as a chocolate fire guard.

The only player who potentielly adds something different is Da Marcus Beasley...... Will he settle quickly?! Will he be an asset in the SPL?! or will he be another player who comes to Rangers excected to perform and fails to deliver.

Our squad hasnt even been bolstered and our team is still weak....... There will be no big difference next season unless money is released.

Smith in - Klos out

Broadfoot in - Svensson out

Da Marcus Beasley in - Rae out

Darchville in - Prso out

Gow in - Sionko out (Sooner rather than later)

Total money spend = £ 0

Yep there is'nt any difference we are still poor.... infact the way we are the now we are a JOKE, The real Question is who's to blame is it Really SDM fault or our own, for putting up with it for so long ?

Yeez were warned ages ago....get yer heids oot the sand but yeez didnay listen

[JR 1,480]

*still quietly confident*

[disgruntled_bear 157]

I've been reading a lot of posts on the forum over the last couple of weeks and there seems to be a lot of optimism within the fans, With regards to Rangers winning the SPL Title.

Bit of realism is needed..... Rangers signings so far, Do not even put us on a level playing field with Celtic, Never mind have the ability to form a gap and go on to win the SPL Title.

Our main signing is Jean Claude Darcheville..... A player that wasnt good enough for Rangers 3 seasons ago, when Alex McLeish made an approach, But is now the man who is going to lead our strikeforce..... I just dont get it?! What has changed in the last 3 seasons, That has made him turn from a bad signing into a good one?

Then we have people going on about Thomas Buffel.... We have been waiting on Thomas Buffel to do something for the last 2 and a half seasons. Whats different about this year? He's just not suitable for the SPL and building him up every preseason, Just sets us fans up for a fall, which in turn leads to disappointment.

Then we have Graeme Smith, Alan Gow and Kirk Broadfoot...... Who will all be bit part players for Ranger next season. Alan Gow inparticular is a confidence player, and if he finds himself on the bench most weeks he will be as effective as a chocolate fire guard.

The only player who potentielly adds something different is Da Marcus Beasley...... Will he settle quickly?! Will he be an asset in the SPL?! or will he be another player who comes to Rangers excected to perform and fails to deliver.

Our squad hasnt even been bolstered and our team is still weak....... There will be no big difference next season unless money is released.

Smith in - Klos out

Broadfoot in - Svensson out

Da Marcus Beasley in - Rae out

Darchville in - Prso out

Gow in - Sionko out (Sooner rather than later)

Total money spend = £ 0

Yep there is'nt any difference we are still poor.... infact the way we are the now we are a JOKE, The real Question is who's to blame is it Really SDM fault or our own, for putting up with it for so long ?

Yeez were warned ages ago....get yer heids oot the sand but yeez didnay listen

Fish i've always said that SDM has to go, But so many fans think the sun shines out of his arse and wont hear a bad word against him and thats the problem.

[disgruntled_bear 157]

*still quietly confident*

Well your going to be really disappointed

[Muff 245]

*still quietly confident*

I'm not and it gets worse by the day!

I said I'd give Murray until the end of the transfer window, my patience has almost run out.

[THEFISH 0]

I've been reading a lot of posts on the forum over the last couple of weeks and there seems to be a lot of optimism within the fans, With regards to Rangers winning the SPL Title.

Bit of realism is needed..... Rangers signings so far, Do not even put us on a level playing field with Celtic, Never mind have the ability to form a gap and go on to win the SPL Title.

Our main signing is Jean Claude Darcheville..... A player that wasnt good enough for Rangers 3 seasons ago, when Alex McLeish made an approach, But is now the man who is going to lead our strikeforce..... I just dont get it?! What has changed in the last 3 seasons, That has made him turn from a bad signing into a good one?

Then we have people going on about Thomas Buffel.... We have been waiting on Thomas Buffel to do something for the last 2 and a half seasons. Whats different about this year? He's just not suitable for the SPL and building him up every preseason, Just sets us fans up for a fall, which in turn leads to disappointment.

Then we have Graeme Smith, Alan Gow and Kirk Broadfoot...... Who will all be bit part players for Ranger next season. Alan Gow inparticular is a confidence player, and if he finds himself on the bench most weeks he will be as effective as a chocolate fire guard.

The only player who potentielly adds something different is Da Marcus Beasley...... Will he settle quickly?! Will he be an asset in the SPL?! or will he be another player who comes to Rangers excected to perform and fails to deliver.

Our squad hasnt even been bolstered and our team is still weak....... There will be no big difference next season unless money is released.

Smith in - Klos out

Broadfoot in - Svensson out

Da Marcus Beasley in - Rae out

Darchville in - Prso out

Gow in - Sionko out (Sooner rather than later)

Total money spend = £ 0

Yep there is'nt any difference we are still poor.... infact the way we are the now we are a JOKE, The real Question is who's to blame is it Really SDM fault or our own, for putting up with it for so long ?

Yeez were warned ages ago....get yer heids oot the sand but yeez didnay listen

Fish i've always said that SDM has to go, But so many fans think the sun shines out of his arse and wont hear a bad word against him and thats the problem.

Well they dooooo have a problem dont they

They deserve everything they get

[JR 1,480]

*still quietly confident*

Well your going to be really disappointed

time will tell

[ayeready 0]

The gap between Celik and Rangers wasn't as huge as the league table suggested.

PLG giving them a 15 points of a start didn't help our cause.

I feel more confident going into the 07/08 season with real Rangers men at the helm.

Our squad's been strengthened, with more player's coming in (hopefully).

Just my personal opinion mind.

Rae out - Beasley in (that's gotta be a starter for 10 surely)

gr8 post!

this is what i feel about it at the mo. look at the form at the end there, we had championship winning form for the 2nd half of the season and if the early season wasnt so bad we woulda been talking about another championship here.

walter will start to bring in his own players and for every beasely there will be a kt to look after him.

[rfc_no1fan 13]

The gap between Celik and Rangers wasn't as huge as the league table suggested.

PLG giving them a 15 points of a start didn't help our cause.

I feel more confident going into the 07/08 season with real Rangers men at the helm.

Our squad's been strengthened, with more player's coming in (hopefully).

Just my personal opinion mind.

Rae out - Beasley in (that's gotta be a starter for 10 surely)

The gap was BIGGER than the League table suggested..... For 2 seasons now Celtic have wrapped up the league early, Took their foot off the gas and allowed the chasing pack to close in. For 2 seasons in a row some fans fall for the "We're not that far away" when truth be told we are FURTHER away.... Celtic should have been 20+ points clear of us for 2 seasons now.

Rangers men at the helm dont mean miracles will happen..... Thats just silly. Money has to be spent regardless of whos in charge. Having Rangers men in charge will not stop Celtic winning 3 in a row....

Our squad hasnt been strengthened..... 1 position is stronger (Left midfield) and even then he is an unknown quantity... Which Beasley will turn up?! the one who excelled in the MLS?! or the one who flopped at PSV and Man City?! Our Back up keeper is weaker and our experienced stirker has been replaced with someone who was branded a "DUD " 3 seasons ago when McLeish made an approach. In other areas we have released squad players and replaced them with equals. No better quality has been bought and £0 has been spent.

[D'Artagnan 13,319]

I've been reading a lot of posts on the forum over the last couple of weeks and there seems to be a lot of optimism within the fans, With regards to Rangers winning the SPL Title.

Bit of realism is needed..... Rangers signings so far, Do not even put us on a level playing field with Celtic, Never mind have the ability to form a gap and go on to win the SPL Title.

Well is it really false optimism RFC ?

The second half of last season saw us out perform Celtic hands down...beating them twice...home and away in the league.

The close season has seen us bring in new players to strengthen the squad considerably..so I would suggest we are in far better shape than we were last season.

They have also strengthened with Brown and Donati - the remaining players they have signed are no better than what we had already.

Unless they strengthen considerably before the start of the new season - I certainly dont see anything to suggest we should be pessimistic fot the season ahead.

[Dillinger 0]

The transfer window has not closed yet.

Until then, only time will tell.

[papaguy51 912]

I've been reading a lot of posts on the forum over the last couple of weeks and there seems to be a lot of optimism within the fans, With regards to Rangers winning the SPL Title.

Bit of realism is needed..... Rangers signings so far, Do not even put us on a level playing field with Celtic, Never mind have the ability to form a gap and go on to win the SPL Title.

Well is it really false optimism RFC ?

The second half of last season saw us out perform Celtic hands down...beating them twice...home and away in the league.

The close season has seen us bring in new players to strengthen the squad considerably..so I would suggest we are in far better shape than we were last season.

They have also strengthened with Brown and Donati - the remaining players they have signed are no better than what we had already.

Unless they strengthen considerably before the start of the new season - I certainly dont see anything to suggest we should be pessimistic fot the season ahead.

I can see this point of view...they've spent nearly £8mil and got two players, while we've spent sweet FA and got 6 players.

I'm not worried yet, but we do still need to strengthen.

[BlueSuedeSambas 53,700]

Well is it really false optimism rfc ?

The second half of last season saw us out perform Celtic hands down...beating them twice...home and away in the league.

The close season has seen us bring in new players to strengthen the squad considerably..so I would suggest we are in far better shape than we were last season.

They have also strengthened with Brown and Donati - the remaining players they have signed are no better than what we had already.

Unless they strengthen considerably before the start of the new season - I certainly dont see anything to suggest we should be pessimistic fot the season ahead.

I agree with you completely mate

Yes we have missed out on our number one target and also our number one alternative, but the fact that we bid 4.5 million for Faubert suggests that there is a certain amount of money available and I fully trust Walter to come up with another quality alternative, did anybody think that when we missed out on Brown we would target a French international as our alternative? No they didn't. Most just moaned as if the whole future of RFC had just been torn to pieces and put through the shredder.

However as soon as we targeted Faubert everything was suddenly looking rosey in the garden again. Now we have missed out on him everything is doom and gloom again.

Our fans are proving that they operate on a very thin line between success and failure and with there still being about 8 weeks of the transfer window left I can't believe how quickly the vultures have started circling again!

August 31st 2007 is the time to judge if we have successfully built a squad capable of challenging Celtic, not July 2nd

[Muff 245]

they've spent nearly £8mil and got two players, while we've spent sweet FA and got 6 players

And been totally ripped off

1 clown(Donati) and 1 over-rated, over-priced player(Brown who I'd of liked for around £2million)They also signed McDonald(£700k) and Killen.

We've spent £700k on Beasley and the rest have been bosmans. Out of our signings, I'm only happy with 2 of them, Gow and Beasley. The rest dont impress me one bit.

[*Manticore* 1,893]

Our main signing is Jean Claude Darcheville..... A player that wasnt good enough for Rangers 3 seasons ago, when Alex McLeish made an approach,

So if he wasn't good enough, why the approach?

Doesn't make sense.

[disgruntled_bear 157]

[The gap was BIGGER than the League table suggested..... For 2 seasons now Celtic have wrapped up the league early, Took their foot off the gas and allowed the chasing pack to close in. For 2 seasons in a row some fans fall for the "We're not that far away" when truth be told we are FURTHER away.... Celtic should have been 20+ points clear of us for 2 seasons now.

Rangers men at the helm dont mean miracles will happen..... Thats just silly. Money has to be spent regardless of whos in charge. Having Rangers men in charge will not stop Celtic winning 3 in a row....

Our squad hasnt been strengthened..... 1 position is stronger (Left midfield) and even then he is an unknown quantity... Which Beasley will turn up?! the one who excelled in the MLS?! or the one who flopped at PSV and Man City?! Our Back up keeper is weaker and our experienced stirker has been replaced with someone who was branded a "DUD " 3 seasons ago when McLeish made an approach. In other areas we have released squad players and replaced them with equals. No better quality has been bought and £0 has been spent.

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100% spot on