Richard Gough - Scottish Sun On Sunday

[K.A.I 36,183]

I've not been a fan of his due to some of the pish he's spouted since our administration days but was reading the mornings papers in work there and he makes one of the best points I've seen during this EBT nonsense ...

To paraphrase :

In 1997/1998 Celtic stopped Rangers winning ten in a row. Fair and square.

It was one of his biggest disappointments in football.

What would happen if these people then went back and found out Celtic's best player, Henrik Larsson had an EBT?

Would they want to strip Celtic of that title and award it to Rangers and give us 10 in a row as a result?

No chance.

Well said Richard Gough.

[WATP-FOREVER 5,231]

They should be fined and demoted - just to level things up a bit.

And to level them properly, then sent back home, to oirlund.

[Bears 794]

When did the biscuit-tin-accounting of old end for them? Was it still happening in 87-88?

[montana100 335]

Silly comment, will be thrown back in his face as, they didn't so what's your point?

[one55 1,510]

The difference between that lot and us is that they try and hide their history. We are proud of ours and this whole EBT carry on... I think if we could go back then of course we wouldn't do it but we aren't trying to cover it up.

[K.A.I 36,183]

Silly comment, will be thrown back in his face as, they didn't so what's your point?

Wit ?

[trueblueal 2,117]

I'm not sure what his point is unless he knows Larsson had an EBT.

[Amato 3,094]

Pretty easily dismissed argument

[Gazza1212 1,212]

When did the biscuit-tin-accounting of old end for them? Was it still happening in 87-88?

Was a running joke throughout the 70s and early 80s, the late jimmy Sanderson used to have a guesstimate most weeks on super scoreboard as to the true attendance figures. No laughing matter these days if that could be proved, clear tax evasion. No doubt they weren't the only ones at it but that's beside the point, glass houses and all that!

[jcb 1,167]

Pointless remark unless HL had a EBT.

[RM Monitor And Standards Officer 112,735]

Would need to see the article because like many others in the topic I'm struggling to see it here.

However every game the taigs won with juninho played by their logic they cheated. They couldn't have afforded him in normal circumstances and wether or not they paid what was owed it doesn't matter as they settled out of court after the games had taken place.

So by their logic they're cheating bastards as well.

Think they won a Scottish cup with him in the team........

[st seeris blueboy 6]

The point he is making is that he wouldn't want them to be stripped of title and be awarded 10 in a row.

[montana100 335]

Wit ?

Do I need to explain it?

[danger ranger 922]

Once a hand-wringer always a hand-wringer, we need Rangers people to come out with the truth that they did have EBT,s, just like Rangers, not some made up pish, no wonder septic are getting it all their own way and laughing at us at every turn, it should be DK replying with a full details of their hyprocisy and their EBT,s.

[Bears 794]

Was a running joke throughout the 70s and early 80s, the late jimmy Sanderson used to have a guesstimate most weeks on super scoreboard as to the true attendance figures. No laughing matter these days if that could be proved, clear tax evasion. No doubt they weren't the only ones at it but that's beside the point, glass houses and all that!

Exactly. The point is not to make a claim for a title we failed to win but to silence their pathetic claims.

[NixonRFC 1,563]

Would need to see the article because like many others in the topic I'm struggling to see it here.

However every game the taigs won with juninho played by their logic they cheated. They couldn't have afforded him in normal circumstances and wether or not they paid what was owed it doesn't matter as they settled out of court after the games had taken place.

So by their logic they're cheating bastards as well.

Think they won a Scottish cup with him in the team........

They'd well be happy to sacrifice the Scottish Cup if it meant we lost 4 Leagues, 4 Scottish Cups and 5 League Cups, absolutely no doubt about it.

[Tontospal 1,116]

Much as I loved Gough as a player and he is certainly one of our greatest captains , I'm afraid that comment about larsson is stupid (unless he had an EBT).

He has a prominent platform to defend the club and that statement actually undermines our position .

There is plenty he could have said instead, although to be fair I am going on this one comment and have not read the article.

After King contradicting himself this week with a statement from a few years ago and now this from the Rangers ambassador it is about time that prick Traynor earned his money and vetted what's going out.

Those representing the club need to be a lot sharper because everything they say will be scrutinised by our haters and used against us.

[Carsons Dog 9,878]

Would need to see the article because like many others in the topic I'm struggling to see it here.

However every game the taigs won with juninho played by their logic they cheated. They couldn't have afforded him in normal circumstances and wether or not they paid what was owed it doesn't matter as they settled out of court after the games had taken place.

So by their logic they're cheating bastards as well.

Think they won a Scottish cup with him in the team........

They hid his EBT

We declared ours

A big difference

[minstral 5,375]

The full article.

CELTIC won the former Scottish Premier League in season 1997/98.

It was a historic triumph given that it stopped Rangers winning a record ten-in-a-row.

Looking back, it was one of my biggest career disappointments.


I’d love to have that tenth league medal in my possession, having made history as Rangers captain.

But here’s a scenario for you. Can you imagine if it emerged in later years that Henrik Larsson had an EBT during that season?

If it turned out the Swede — Celtic’s key player in that title triumph — was paid via a scheme that’s now infamous in Scottish football.

Following the logic of the real-life never-ending EBT row, I’d be due a league winner’s medal.

For me and all the rest of my Rangers team-mates, ten-in-a-row would suddenly be a reality.

You’d think I’d be delighted to see my name written into the history books, right?

Wrong. I would have no interest in that medal. I would have no interest in seeing Celtic stripped of that historic title.

That is the honest truth. It would mean nothing to me.

It wouldn’t matter if Wim Jansen’s entire Celtic squad had EBTs, they won it fair and square on the pitch.

And that’s the reason I can’t get my head around the continued clamour to rip titles away from Rangers.

I can’t speak for directors of Celtic and other SPL clubs between the years of 2001 and 2010.

I don’t know what is being said behind closed doors or what went on at the SPFL conference call after HMRC recently won their Big Tax Case appeal.

Celtic fans are up in arms but that’s Scotland for you. I’m sure if Larsson did have an EBT, a lot of Rangers supporters would have strong views.

But as a football man, I value and respect the opinion of my peers.

It’s been fascinating reading the comments of Celtic legends like Martin O’Neill, John Hartson, Chris Sutton and Paul Lambert this week.

To a man they have zero interest in the idea of Rangers being stripped of titles. They look back at 2003 and 2005 and believe they were beaten on he pitch — not in contract talks.

The fact Celtic couldn’t beat Motherwell at Fir Park in O’Neill’s last league game had nothing to do with Rangers players’ having EBTs.

In fact, barring Darren O’Dea, who played a handful of games for Celtic, no other ex-player has called for Gers to be stripped of titles.

Surely that speaks volumes. Are all the Celtic fans going to turn on them for holding that view?

Do they just ignore O’Neill — one of their greatest managers — and dismiss what he says?

What’s to be gained from dredging all this up again? Why are people so hell-bent on attacking Rangers?

I’ve been involved with Scottish football since the early 1980s and never seen hatred like this before.

Are supporters of other clubs not content with the punishment Rangers have already had?

Last time I looked, my old club had been out of the top flight for almost four years. They haven’t competed in Europe since 2012.

There has been an administration and liquidation of the oldco, with a squad full of international players walking away for nothing.

There have been fines, a transfer embargo and all manner of on-field humiliations.

Rangers are now on their fourth manager in that period and still have a long way to go before challenging Celtic again.

Off the field, the heart and soul has been ripped out of the club as spivs lined up to take advantage.

Oh, and an impending court case might end up proving that the club was the victim of a major fraud during a takeover.

That’s quite a list of punishments. The club has been dragged through the gutter over the last few years.

But still fans of other clubs aren’t happy. Still they want to point to a tax scheme that gave fortunes to the likes of Tero Penttila and demand titles are stripped.

Really? Do they hate Rangers that much? Will they ever tire of trying to harm the club?

I look at Hearts and sympathy that directed towards them after Vladimir Romanov disappeared and they went into administration.

Rangers’ treatment was the opposite. If anything, the abuse increased following the Craig Whyte and Charles Green years.

It’s no wonder some fans think Rangers would be better off packing up and going elsewhere.

I’m proud of the club’s Scottish roots and the day will come when they’re the best in the country again.

But when you see the hatred directed towards Rangers, right now the thought of a return to the top flight holds little appeal.

‘No one likes us’ the fans sing. That line has never been more apt.

[eejay the dj 31,964]

The point he is making is that he wouldn't want them to be stripped of title and be awarded 10 in a row.

Yep that's the way I see it mate

[eejay the dj 31,964]

The full article.

CELTIC won the former Scottish Premier League in season 1997/98.

It was a historic triumph given that it stopped Rangers winning a record ten-in-a-row.

Looking back, it was one of my biggest career disappointments.

I’d love to have that tenth league medal in my possession, having made history as Rangers captain.

But here’s a scenario for you. Can you imagine if it emerged in later years that Henrik Larsson had an EBT during that season?

If it turned out the Swede — Celtic’s key player in that title triumph — was paid via a scheme that’s now infamous in Scottish football.

Following the logic of the real-life never-ending EBT row, I’d be due a league winner’s medal.

For me and all the rest of my Rangers team-mates, ten-in-a-row would suddenly be a reality.

You’d think I’d be delighted to see my name written into the history books, right?

Wrong. I would have no interest in that medal. I would have no interest in seeing Celtic stripped of that historic title.

That is the honest truth. It would mean nothing to me.

It wouldn’t matter if Wim Jansen’s entire Celtic squad had EBTs, they won it fair and square on the pitch.

And that’s the reason I can’t get my head around the continued clamour to rip titles away from Rangers.

I can’t speak for directors of Celtic and other SPL clubs between the years of 2001 and 2010.

I don’t know what is being said behind closed doors or what went on at the SPFL conference call after HMRC recently won their Big Tax Case appeal.

Celtic fans are up in arms but that’s Scotland for you. I’m sure if Larsson did have an EBT, a lot of Rangers supporters would have strong views.

But as a football man, I value and respect the opinion of my peers.

It’s been fascinating reading the comments of Celtic legends like Martin O’Neill, John Hartson, Chris Sutton and Paul Lambert this week.

To a man they have zero interest in the idea of Rangers being stripped of titles. They look back at 2003 and 2005 and believe they were beaten on he pitch — not in contract talks.

The fact Celtic couldn’t beat Motherwell at Fir Park in O’Neill’s last league game had nothing to do with Rangers players’ having EBTs.

In fact, barring Darren O’Dea, who played a handful of games for Celtic, no other ex-player has called for Gers to be stripped of titles.

Surely that speaks volumes. Are all the Celtic fans going to turn on them for holding that view?

Do they just ignore O’Neill — one of their greatest managers — and dismiss what he says?

What’s to be gained from dredging all this up again? Why are people so hell-bent on attacking Rangers?

I’ve been involved with Scottish football since the early 1980s and never seen hatred like this before.

Are supporters of other clubs not content with the punishment Rangers have already had?

Last time I looked, my old club had been out of the top flight for almost four years. They haven’t competed in Europe since 2012.

There has been an administration and liquidation of the oldco, with a squad full of international players walking away for nothing.

There have been fines, a transfer embargo and all manner of on-field humiliations.

Rangers are now on their fourth manager in that period and still have a long way to go before challenging Celtic again.

Off the field, the heart and soul has been ripped out of the club as spivs lined up to take advantage.

Oh, and an impending court case might end up proving that the club was the victim of a major fraud during a takeover.

That’s quite a list of punishments. The club has been dragged through the gutter over the last few years.

But still fans of other clubs aren’t happy. Still they want to point to a tax scheme that gave fortunes to the likes of Tero Penttila and demand titles are stripped.

Really? Do they hate Rangers that much? Will they ever tire of trying to harm the club?

I look at Hearts and sympathy that directed towards them after Vladimir Romanov disappeared and they went into administration.

Rangers’ treatment was the opposite. If anything, the abuse increased following the Craig Whyte and Charles Green years.

It’s no wonder some fans think Rangers would be better off packing up and going elsewhere.

I’m proud of the club’s Scottish roots and the day will come when they’re the best in the country again.

But when you see the hatred directed towards Rangers, right now the thought of a return to the top flight holds little appeal.

‘No one likes us’ the fans sing. That line has never been more apt.

Thanks for posting Minstral

[Sket 13,610]

We going hypothetical now? Unless Larsson did have an EBT then that is one of the most pointless arguments ever.

[The Louden Tavern 1,765]

The point is that Rangers are treated differently to everyone else clearly.

A point I agree with and was admitted by the SFA inside source the other day who stated that MA is fine causing trouble at Ibrox but involving others in Scottish football is going too far.

GM

[dan_ger 1,454]

The article as a whole makes more sense. Gough making lots of points that we would make and are very often not printed in the press.

[G.E.C. 19,594]

Would need to see the article because like many others in the topic I'm struggling to see it here.

However every game the taigs won with juninho played by their logic they cheated. They couldn't have afforded him in normal circumstances and wether or not they paid what was owed it doesn't matter as they settled out of court after the games had taken place.

So by their logic they're cheating bastards as well.

Think they won a Scottish cup with him in the team........

I'm not a taig (you know me anyway) but they punted Juninho in January of that season.