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[McEwan's Lager 30,522]

Just now, Creampuff said:

That’s not the rules.

Ref can give a yellow card if the denial of a goalscoring opportunity was in the course of attempting to legally play the ball. 

So really it comes down to whether the ref thinks the ball hit James’ hand as he legitimately tried to block or whether James has popped his hand out to block it.

 

1 minute ago, GOAT said:

The double jeopardy rule applies to something the referee thinks is an accident, he’s clearly not meant to hand ball it, but the referee thinks otherwise.   

"Where a player denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by a handball offence the player is sent off wherever the offence occurs."

1 minute ago, STEPPS BOY said:

Thought the rules had been changed that if it hits another body part first before hitting arm that it wasn’t a penalty.

 

Was removed this year.

[gazza27 15,283]

Penalty and red card was the correct desicions 

[Bristol loyal 6,248]

Just now, GOAT said:

The double jeopardy rule applies to something the referee thinks is an accident, he’s clearly not meant to hand ball it, but the referee thinks otherwise.   

Correct, but to be a penalty for handball it has to be intentional, so if the ref gives a pen the double jeopardy rule isn’t applicable as he clearly thinks it’s intentional.

For what it’s worth I don’t think it was a pen, he went to use his knee and that naturally moved his arm, so although it clearly hit his arm was an accident.

[GOAT 30,449]

1 minute ago, Bristol loyal said:

Correct, but to be a penalty for handball it has to be intentional, so if the ref gives a pen the double jeopardy rule isn’t applicable as he clearly thinks it’s intentional.

For what it’s worth I don’t think it was a pen, he went to use his knee and that naturally moved his arm, so although it clearly hit his arm was an accident.

Rules are fucked up man.  For me it’s a penalty, he’s accidentally stopped the ball going over the line.  But it’s not a booking.  

[Creampuff 22,628]

2 minutes ago, Bristol loyal said:

Correct, but to be a penalty for handball it has to be intentional, so if the ref gives a pen the double jeopardy rule isn’t applicable as he clearly thinks it’s intentional.

For what it’s worth I don’t think it was a pen, he went to use his knee and that naturally moved his arm, so although it clearly hit his arm was an accident.

Doesn’t have to be intentional. Can be because the hand is in an unnatural position (which is deemed as reckless). 

[Creampuff 22,628]

Reading the rules now. Understand it less now  

[Bristol loyal 6,248]

1 minute ago, Creampuff said:

Doesn’t have to be intentional. Can be because the hand is in an unnatural position (which is deemed as reckless). 

Pretty sure hand in an unnatural position is a way of defining intent or not, although without going through all the rules I’m not 100%.

[Creampuff 22,628]

Right I think I’m wrong, but I think the rule is wrong too  

The wording of the rule makes basically all handball penalties a red card, which can’t possibly be the intention.

[Creampuff 22,628]

Just now, Bristol loyal said:

Pretty sure hand in an unnatural position is a way of defining intent or not, although without going through all the rules I’m not 100%.

We’re probably splitting hairs at this point, but I think you’re probably right. It’s more that the rules effectively say “well you took that risk when you put your hand out there”  

[Moody Blue Legend 61,461]

Some wee ball that.

[superallysbears 7,580]

3 minutes ago, Rangers_no1 said:

Scum top in the Liverpool end. 🤮

🚑🏃🏃🏃🏃🏃🏃🏃 Bastards so they are 🤦

[geneva_ger 9,331]

Regarding the penalty, did he not move his arm forward when he struck the ball. That being the case it could be deemed as deliberate but it was so instinctive I don't think it warranted a Red. Penalty definite.

[The Specky Forum Organiser 64,530]

 

[superallysbears 7,580]

Elliott going with the Ryan Kent look 🤣

[Bristol loyal 6,248]

6 minutes ago, Creampuff said:

We’re probably splitting hairs at this point, but I think you’re probably right. It’s more that the rules effectively say “well you took that risk when you put your hand out there”  

They’ve certainly over complicated it! Pretty sure even the pundits at half time weren’t sure of the rules just giving an opinion on if they thought it was a pen and red or not.

 

[bluenoz 30,833]

I could watch Mo Salah play football all day. Must admit Van Diyk ain't too bad either.

[McEwan's Lager 30,522]

7 minutes ago, Creampuff said:

Right I think I’m wrong, but I think the rule is wrong too  

The wording of the rule makes basically all handball penalties a red card, which can’t possibly be the intention.

No. It has to stop an obvious goal scoring opportunity or a goal. 

It's still in the referees gift to weigh up the situation on the likelihood of a goal being scored or a goal scoring opportunity being created. 

[Creampuff 22,628]

14 minutes ago, McEwan's Lager said:

No. It has to stop an obvious goal scoring opportunity or a goal. 

It's still in the referees gift to weigh up the situation on the likelihood of a goal being scored or a goal scoring opportunity being created. 

Yeah but if the ball is pinballing around in the box it probably is a goalscoring opportunity or one could be created.

[bluenoz 30,833]

There is no way I would have given Robertson a new five year contract. I actually don't think he is that good.

[CR3 12,681]

Arsenal bottom of the league 

 

[STEPPS BOY 73,890]

Tuchel has done some job at Chelsea.

Brilliantly organised with every player, including subs, knowing exactly what their roles are.

Anyone finishing above Chelsea will win the league.

[ForeverAndEver 71,469]

6 minutes ago, CR3 said:

Arsenal bottom of the league 

 

Obsessed. 
 

Fuck Chelsea. 

[SIRB_72 4,000]

Chelsea managed that second half extremely well.

Tottenham's title to lose now.

[CR3 12,681]

4 minutes ago, ForeverAndEver said:

Obsessed. 
 

Fuck Chelsea. 

[GOAT 30,449]

Anyone watching Peterborough vs West Brom? Is it just me or is the camera bouncing up and down constantly.