K.A.I 36,183 Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 Drop this 3 inter changeable forwards pish Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaudrupsPatrickBoots 13,540 Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 Come up with a game plan that the opposition won't have sussed out before they arrive at the stadium. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_1 1,136 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Warburton won't change formation. Look at it from this POV and that's Warburtons. You come into a club and preach from the minute you walk in the door, this is how we are going to play and we will play this formation. We will use this formation as a template across the board from the first team down to our under 11s so that when a player makes the jump to the first team what's asked of him at senior level is no different in terms of tactically than what he's done for years at youth level. That's what Warburton set out his blueprint for the club to be based around. Now because things have went wrong we expect him to change what he believes wholeheartedly is the right way forward and how can you preach something to your under 11s and upwards when at senior level it doesn't work and you've changed it? It's a double edged sword for Warburton, for me he's too stubborn to go back on his philosophies and ultimately he will receive his P45. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giffnockger 4,840 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 bigotry! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackrfc95 4,255 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Teams all over the world play a 4-3-3 and do it just fine. Its nothing to do with the formation, its what the players are doing within that formation. Very rarely do you see a team playing with 2 strikers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno's Manbun 2,631 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 On 9/17/2016 at 10:31 PM, ben51 said: What formations would you put forward to him to try out. Not necessarily from the start of games, but when things aren't going our way? Wes Tav Wilson Hill Wallace Windass Holt Rossiter McKay O'Halloran Garner Or Wes Tav Wilson Hill Wallace Rossiter Holt ------------------------Windass McKay O'Halloran Garner Are my ones I'd like to see us line up with. Maybe bring in Halliday, Forrester, Crooks, Waghorn, Hodson and Miller. But I'm more discussing formations. Because to me, I think we know Warburton gets us playing the football we want. But our formation/philosophy has become so predictable anyone with a decent set of players can manage us out the game. Also, please do not place too much emphasis on our defence. It's a nightmare, that won't change. Like I said this is more relating to formation. Unless you go for a 3 at the back. I think it would be interesting to try a sort of 3-2-3-2 (3-5-2), something along the lines of... Fodderingham Tavernier Wilson Wallace Rossiter Halliday Waghorn Forrester Windass Garner Miller Rossiter and Halliday can offer plenty moving forward, but also drop back to effectively form a back 5 when being pressed, and also still provide cover if Tav/Wallace go for a run, as well as supply attacking support. Windass can also drop from CAM to CM if the DM's are forced back. Waghorn and Forrester would have no problem advancing the wings and breaking into the box, or supplying the forwards. Keep Kenny and Garner as out and out strikers, non of this switching around. Kenny can handle it okay but Garner is more effective in the box as proven against the tims. Thoughts on the above anyone? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme_4 37,615 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 On 17/09/2016 at 10:44 PM, ben51 said: Didn't realise I was on a Barcelona forum. Youre right. Formations mean nothing. Everyone just plays a 9-1. If you were at the game at the weekend, you'd see that at times we were in a 4-4-2 shape, with Garner and Wagorn up top and McKay at LM. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackrfc95 4,255 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 1 minute ago, 55Bear said: I think it would be interesting to try a sort of 3-2-3-2 (3-5-2), something along the lines of... Fodderingham Tavernier Wilson Wallace Rossiter Halliday Waghorn Forrester Windass Garner Miller Rossiter and Halliday can offer plenty moving forward, but also drop back to effectively form a back 5 when being pressed, and also still provide cover if Tav/Wallace go for a run, as well as supply attacking support. Windass can also drop from CAM to CM if the DM's are forced back. Waghorn and Forrester would have no problem advancing the wings and breaking into the box, or supplying the forwards. Keep Kenny as out and out strikers, non of this switching around. Kenny can handle it okay but Garner is more effective in the box as proven against the tims. Thoughts on the above anyone? Would never work. 3 at the back hardly ever works, hence hardly any team plays it. You cant have full backs as the 3 at the back - it has to be 3 solid centre backs for it to have any chance of working. You need people prepared to come back to play as the wide players - Waghorn and Forrester have 0 interest in coming back to defend. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme_4 37,615 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Just now, jackrfc95 said: Would never work. 3 at the back hardly ever works, hence hardly any team plays it. You cant have full backs as the 3 at the back - it has to be 3 solid centre backs for it to have any chance of working. You need people prepared to come back to play as the wide players - Waghorn and Forrester have 0 interest in coming back to defend. This is where the lines between FIFA and real life become too blurred. Playing with 1 centre back Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackrfc95 4,255 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 2 minutes ago, graeme_4 said: This is where the lines between FIFA and real life become too blurred. Playing with 1 centre back Our centre backs are that good we only need 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno's Manbun 2,631 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 4 minutes ago, jackrfc95 said: Would never work. 3 at the back hardly ever works, hence hardly any team plays it. You cant have full backs as the 3 at the back - it has to be 3 solid centre backs for it to have any chance of working. You need people prepared to come back to play as the wide players - Waghorn and Forrester have 0 interest in coming back to defend. Yeah fair point. It's something I'd been mulling over a couple of weeks now but your points make sense. Of course, the other option (and this may seem too obvious) would be to try the old 4-4-2. One thing's for sure, we NEED a plan B, maybe even a plan C too. To quote Einstein: "The definition of insanity is doing the same over and over again and expecting different results." Maybe Warbs is just a bit unhinged Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Soprano 13,964 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 On 17/09/2016 at 10:51 PM, ForeverAndEver said: Foderingham Tav Wilson Hill Wallace Rossitter Holt Forrester Windass McKay Garner I love the look of this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 3 hours ago, graeme_4 said: This is where the lines between FIFA and real life become too blurred. Playing with 1 centre back Big Clint can do it all himself! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger/rochy 4 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Barca played 3-4-3 at weekend and Man City went 4-1-4-1. Forget" it is all about the squad" and just getting a winning team out there. Rest McKay and Wallace.Drop Miller(for ever). Now just get on with it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
writingranger 1,451 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 On 17/09/2016 at 10:34 PM, gsa said: Only brainless pricks who listen to football punditry talk about "plan b". It's a load of shot that didn't exist until jealous people starting slating Barcelona for "too much possession". couldn't agree more. Minus the inflammatory language of course. There's nowt wrong with the formation or philosophy, it's the execution that's the problem. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger/rochy 4 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 3 hours ago, ranger/rochy said: Barca played 3-4-3 at weekend and Man City went 4-1-4-1. Forget" it is all about the squad" and just get a winning team out there. Rest McKay and Wallace.Drop Miller(for ever). Now just get on with it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnberry18 3,204 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Do plan A better.This team will come good, and this League is in no way over. We are never out of contention till it is mathematically impossible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumnockbear 2,446 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Flat 4-4-2, 2 wingers Wes Tav Sendero/Hill Wilson Wallace Forrester Windass Holt O'Halloran Waghorn Garner 4-4-2 midfield diamond Wes Tav Senderos/Hill Wilson Wallace Rossiter Windass Holt MOH Waghorn Garner 3-5-2 full backs Wes Senderos Hill Wilson Tav Windass Crooks Holt Wallace Waghorn Garner Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plumbGER 24,518 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Change his defending tactics from tactical to legacy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger/rochy 4 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 3-5-2 Wes Senderos Wilson Hill Tav Windass Rositer Forrester Wallace Waghorn Garner Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasgow argyle 1,093 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 On 17/09/2016 at 11:00 PM, DMax399 said: I'm not sure that the problem is that our formation has become too predictable as many say, because most teams play one formation only. I would imagine you should base your formation on the strengths of your players - then it is up to the players to execute this on the park. If MW believes he has the players to work 4 3 3 then you have to go with it. Leaving the CB pairing to one side, I still question if we have/or he is playing the correct wide men to make this work. 4 1 4 1 might be a more pragmatic approach. But then again what do I know. In simple terms if we can't execute a 4 3 3 and win the majority of games you have to change to suit your personnel. 4.3.3. is not working this season. and should be scrapped especially away from home i suggested 4.1.4.1 before the septic game, and the response to that was pretty negative. i suggest again before we play the sheep that system will give us a better chance of prevailing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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