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Do you really think it makes a huge amount of difference in this league when we have players that should be far better than the majority of the hammer throwers?

I think folk who are saying we should change formation, we should swap players out, we should do this or that, are missing the point here.

Our players are fitter, faster, and more skillful than the average players in our league, so personally I don't think changing formation etc is going to make much difference.

The only real advantage other players have over us is size and strength, we do have a wee team generally.

Personally, I think it's an attitude/mental problem. At this moment in time we seem to always shit out a kidney whenever the pressure is on and we're expected to win. Our players don't know what to do, they're static, movement is pish and making it difficult to get any kind of move going.It all breaks down at both ends,too nervous to score too nervous to defend properly.

I think players have to grow another bollock and start charging other teams down until we get the ball and then move the ball about much faster so that the other team doesn't get a chance to close down and block out every part of the pitch.

But, that's just my amateurish view on things. I see formations as a starting point only, it's what you do within that formation that counts and we're not doing enough of the basics at all.

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5 minutes ago, Jack The Flipper said:

Do you really think it makes a huge amount of difference in this league when we have players that should be far better than the majority of the hammer throwers?

I think folk who are saying we should change formation, we should swap players out, we should do this or that, are missing the point here.

Our players are fitter, faster, and more skillful than the average players in our league, so personally I don't think changing formation etc is going to make much difference.

The only real advantage other players have over us is size and strength, we do have a wee team generally.

Personally, I think it's an attitude/mental problem. At this moment in time we seem to always shit out a kidney whenever the pressure is on and we're expected to win. Our players don't know what to do, they're static, movement is pish and making it difficult to get any kind of move going.It all breaks down at both ends,too nervous to score too nervous to defend properly.

I think players have to grow another bollock and start charging other teams down until we get the ball and then move the ball about much faster so that the other team doesn't get a chance to close down and block out every part of the pitch.

But, that's just my amateurish view on things. I see formations as a starting point only, it's what you do within that formation that counts and we're not doing enough of the basics at all.

That's the issue, there is no evidence of this being true.

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1 minute ago, In Dungeons Deep said:

That's the issue, there is no evidence of this being true.

You're seriously saying that our players are not better than the average scottish premiership player? :blink:

We're all a bit depressed at the situation DD but, no need to top yourself yet.

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Just now, Jack The Flipper said:

You're seriously saying that our players are not better than the average scottish premiership player? :blink:

We're all a bit depressed at the situation DD but, no need to top yourself yet.

Yes I am. I'll say that until they show otherwise.

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The main difficulties is that 

A. Teams have wise up to the 4-3-3 formation and more specifically how we try and play, and set their team up to counteract that and largely found success. 

B. Playing against a higher quality of opposition we are constantly getting overran in midfield. Having 3 in there, means one (Haliday) sits and other two (Holt & Forrester) push on to press high up the park.

We lose the ball and opposing team make 2/3 passes and Haliday is left facing 3 midfielders...Don't get me started on our full back positioning proess.

 

Imo 4-4-2 diamond would be best

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Were a confidence team cause all our manager talks about is good performances in training etc etc and never actually comes out and says oh you know what we were extremely poor today and it isn't good enough. 

He's basically allowing mediocrity and the players think it's acceptable to "perform well" but not get the results, regardless of what Barrie Mckay, MW or Joe Garner says. This isn't your middle of the road English team where a defeat might be acceptable away from home. It's Rangers and we go into every game with an expectation to win. Until he changes that mentality nothing will change. 

It's exemplified by his comments "no-ones died" after Rangers fans round the world probably felt like someone had after a 5-1 defeat. 

He doesn't understand the expectations here and that itself is rubbing off on the players

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We have become predictable and do not pass the ball quick enough IMO.

While you might have a point about formations, we are very open with 433 and if confidence is low (and I think it is) then maybe 442 would be better and also give us two players up front.

It is pointless us discussing it, because Mark has his philosophy and will not change even if he does not have players good enough to cope with his system. :(

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I think we do have better players than most other teams but we are not proving it due to lack of goals and fragile defence.  I know MW likes his players to constantly rotate but would like, as an exception to this, our CF to stay put and play in and round penalty box.  So often we hit balls across goal and there is no one there to convert.

That, a bit more composure from all our players in and around goal, and teaching Waghorn to hit the ball with his right foot and stop taking the extra touch, could make a bit of difference to our chance conversion.

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Its become a casino game now.   Keep rolling the tactical dice in the same way at each game in the hope that double sixes are magically going to start happening.   A philosophy of keep going, keep doing the same things, work harder, be bolder and so on and eventually, despite the mounting evidence to the contrary, it will come right in the end.    

It might.   But on present trends measured by the most important thing - results - it does not look like it.  History, and not just football manager history, is littered with those who nearly made it, nearly invented it, nearly got it to work, nearly succeeded.  Nobody remembers them though.

I don't know how long King and the Board will put up with the level and extent of underperformance (failing actually) in terms of results before the gamble is brought to an end.  I suspect they will wait to see if the low objective of a European slot for next season appears to be realistically achievable.   If so then we're in for a lot more attempts at throwing double sixes and it either starts to work and we go on good runs of winning games, or it doesn't.  Trouble is it should not be like this for Rangers. 

 

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I think our biggest issue has been shoehorning players in that don't fit the system or style.

Miller and Waghorn out wide have been the biggest negative. Waghorn had a storming game against QotS, and is then shunted to the wing against Aberdeen and performs badly. Wingers must be the only option here. 

Krancjar doesn't fit our style of play (e.g. pressing with pace). He has a role against the 'smaller' teams that we can't break down, but was worse than useless against them at the weekend. 

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I've said it many times. We don't have the personnel for MWs 433. We don't play with three forwards, we play 1 forward and 2 wingers, so in reality we have 1 person being effective out of 3. 

If we're to proceed with a 433 id rather the 2 wingers came inside and made 2 narrow forwards and a number 10. 

The way our FB play then they give us width in attack and frankly Tav is the best crosser of a ball we have and Wallace is no worse than McKay. 

Fod

Tav Hill Wilson Wallace

Windass Halliday Holt

McKay/Kranjcar

Garner Waghorn

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Tin hat on, I'm a huge fan of the manager. He speaks well, plays open (mostly) exciting football, and has focused on all areas of the club. We couldn't have dreamed about this problem during the ally years.

The defence (ch) positions have been a shambles during his tenure though, and if the fans in the stand can see it, it's worrying that more hasn't been done. Releasing DM at the start of last season was a mystifying decision in my opinion. 

I'd like us to play to our strengths every week, whether that be 4-5-1, 4-4-2 or whatever. We should be able to adapt to the opposition, whoever it is. Would we play this same formation against Barca or Real??? 

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We need 2 in the box when in the final third. If the ball's on the left then the right winger must come inside to become a second attacker/striker and vice versa. If McKay is not up to the task then an AM needs to come forward. If we need width then the full back can stay forward with the DM covering. Right now there's one in the box against 6-8 defenders and zero if Kenny is in the middle as he's playing a no.10 role too often. Until that sole striker has proper support then we have little to aim at in the box and we end up farting about around the box looking for an opening that will not appear. It would be worth loooking at the % of how many attacks start down one wing then wander round the box to the other wing without any real penetration.

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13 hours ago, Prso's headband said:

Were a confidence team cause all our manager talks about is good performances in training etc etc and never actually comes out and says oh you know what we were extremely poor today and it isn't good enough. 

He's basically allowing mediocrity and the players think it's acceptable to "perform well" but not get the results, regardless of what Barrie Mckay, MW or Joe Garner says. This isn't your middle of the road English team where a defeat might be acceptable away from home. It's Rangers and we go into every game with an expectation to win. Until he changes that mentality nothing will change. 

It's exemplified by his comments "no-ones died" after Rangers fans round the world probably felt like someone had after a 5-1 defeat. 

He doesn't understand the expectations here and that itself is rubbing off on the players

But he was right though.. no one had died.the guy is just doing what every manager does and that's playing it down. What type of manager would go about it any other way?  Only a fucking retard would go into a really in depth analysis over it and start picking faults with players and publicly lambasting them. In the history of the game that attitude has never worked and it most certainly caused one of the best managers in the world his job at Chelsea last season.

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12 hours ago, Gezza said:

Tin hat on, I'm a huge fan of the manager. He speaks well, plays open (mostly) exciting football, and has focused on all areas of the club. We couldn't have dreamed about this problem during the ally years.

The defence (ch) positions have been a shambles during his tenure though, and if the fans in the stand can see it, it's worrying that more hasn't been done. Releasing DM at the start of last season was a mystifying decision in my opinion. 

I'd like us to play to our strengths every week, whether that be 4-5-1, 4-4-2 or whatever. We should be able to adapt to the opposition, whoever it is. Would we play this same formation against Barca or Real??? 

Darren mcgregor is absolute shite. That's why he's still at hibs.   The biggest decision for me was not re signing dom ball permanently I think Stubbs paid 350 grand for him

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A disjointed and dispirited bunch as you'll ever see. Players out of position, poor movement off the ball. Predictable and slow. Worse than all that, there remains to be no steel in the team and even back in the day when we were actually winning, there was none and then we eventually got sussed.

We have a big lump in Wilson, who aside from being as slow as week in the jail, he couldn't intimidate a five year old. I really don't see one player who intimidates anyone. There is just no toughness either physically or mentally about this team both individually and collectively and it being what it is, will never come. If any of them ever had it, it's been well coached out of them and when that happens you end up with a shell.

A bunch of nice lads with some limited pretty football in them and as weak as piss.

Sorry, but I just can't see this team ever doing anything in this league.  We need a different type of player in with that winning at all costs mentality and the mean streak. Oddly enough Barton has it, but he's been so stifled by the MW methods, he's been turned into a woos as well. The common denominator is Warburton. Smell the coffee.

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