SeparateEntityMyArse 53,622 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, Blue Nosed Babe said: I find that insulting. You are entitled to your opinion, I just happen to know it is wrong. What determines an indictment? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Nosed Babe 20,534 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, Bluekev said: I think we've found Mr Houston If someone commits a crime then they commit a crime regardless of who we support. I have defended many football fans in my time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Nosed Babe 20,534 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said: What determines an indictment? The evidence is gathered in, analysed and if serious enough indicted. That is the short explanation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Nosed Babe 20,534 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 12 minutes ago, K.A.I said: Away you go ..seriously ..fuck sake I just said to you that the one that admitted slapping Halliday that was up with me got a 1 year ban and 200 hours - why not the same for the rest? there's all sorts of precendts set Precedent never applies to sentences. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
murzo 7,446 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, Blue Nosed Babe said: I remember when Kenny Mitchell hammered ceptic fans after a jury trial. He handed out what I still think are the longest bans of 6 and 7 years and there was jail time as well. Enlightened us with the details. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Nosed Babe 20,534 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 8 minutes ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said: Yeah and sometimes folk plead guilty knowing they will get fucked up the arse regardless and an admission will get 9 month rather than 18 months. A guilty plea does not necessarily admit guilt, it is a tactic of reducing sentence if you know you're going to be fucked over regardless. Anyway. Which HIV cunt has found themselves on the wrong end of a 9 month sentence to date.....? If you plead guilty then you accept your guilt. Pleas of convenience are not allowed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornabear 6,201 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 9 minutes ago, Bluekev said: I think we've found Mr Houston No way, bnb is a clever girl, knows her stuff. Houston is a retard, end of. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danger ranger 922 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 The guy who got kicked in the head was obviously squaring up for fight in a threatening manner wasn't he punished. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,622 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, Blue Nosed Babe said: The evidence is gathered in, analysed and if serious enough indicted. That is the short explanation. So why did you say about his previous? Does previous influence indictments now rather than crime severity? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,622 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 5 minutes ago, Blue Nosed Babe said: Precedent never applies to sentences. Never? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettertogether 381 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 14 minutes ago, Blue Nosed Babe said: You guys rely on the press. I get my info from court, it is more reliable. 12 minutes ago, Blue Nosed Babe said: Did he have a record? What did the report say? I am willing to bet the unpaid work was a direct alternative to jail. The law says if there is a direct alternative to custody then it must be given. That is based on all the facts and corcumstances of each case. 16 minutes ago, Blue Nosed Babe said: If any of them appear on Indictment they could get more. Remember this fan clearly had previous which added to it. Sentencing is not a one size fits all thing in this country. I actually thought you were clued up but not one person has/will appear on an indictment they will all appear before a sheriff on a summary and not one of they fuckers will get jail time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ritchieshearercaldow 22,123 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 I presume the judge would see the fact that he took a kick (or tried) was a cowardly action if not dangerous, I suppose we have to remember that not all Bears are angels, I hate seeing folk getting kicked when they're on the ground. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,622 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 5 minutes ago, Blue Nosed Babe said: If you plead guilty then you accept your guilt. Pleas of convenience are not allowed. Correct the to an extent. You ignored my insinuation that in this God forsaken cesspit some will plead guilty even if not so to reduce sentence by approx 50% if they reckon they'll get fucked over for it regardless. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Nosed Babe 20,534 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, murzo said: Enlightened us with the details. June 2012, Edward Ingram, Anthony Begely and Steven McGowan were convicted by a Jury of challenging hertz fans to fight after ceptic v hertz in 2009 Ingram and Begely had previous football related convictions Ingram got 2 years and a 7 year ban Begely got 15 months and a 7 year ban McGowan had no previous football convictions. He got 12 months and a 5 year ban. This was all before the 2012 act too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz52 11,837 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 9 months for slipping and maybe making contact with the Hibs fans head or body Obviously his previous has done him no favours here. Funny that it's mostly Rangers fans being sentenced over this when it was the Hibs and Celtic fans who invaded the pitch, incited the trouble and then started greeting like little fairys when a few Rangers fans fought back Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Nosed Babe 20,534 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, bettertogether said: I actually thought you were clued up but not one person has/will appear on an indictment they will all appear before a sheriff on a summary and not one of they fuckers will get jail time. No one has been indicted yet. Does not mean that won't happen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunk and disorderly. 14,363 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 15 minutes ago, Blue Nosed Babe said: If he has pled guilty or was found guilty then in the eyes of the law it was intentional. I didn't realise he had plead guilty at first, then edited my post accordingly before reading your post. You are right though. In a legal sense. He fucked himself up by pleading guilty imo. A good lawyer may have got him off with the assualt by saying he was too drunk to attack the junkie. Well, in theory. I can understand his plead though.Shorter sentence. Riles me that those junkie bastards have been getting slaps on the wrists. Bears angry at the attrotious vexing of our players and support get jail time though. I'm not condoning violence, but it's morally right to stand up for your own when they are attacked for no good reason. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Nosed Babe 20,534 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, Drunk and disorderly. said: I didn't realise he had plead guilty at first, then edited my post accordingly before reading your post. You are right though. In a legal sense. He fucked himself up by pleading guilty imo. A good lawyer may have got him off with the assualt by saying he was too drunk to attack the junkie. Well, in theory. I can understand his plead though.Shorter sentence. Riles me that those junkie bastards have been getting slaps on the wrists. Bears angry at the attrotious vexing of our players and support get jail time though. I'm not condoning violence, but it's morally right to stand up for your own when they are attacked for no good reason. That is why there is the Self Defence defence which covers defence of another. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyinroyalblue 16,478 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 9 minutes ago, Gaz52 said: 9 months for slipping and maybe making contact with the Hibs fans head or body Obviously his previous has done him no favours here. Funny that it's mostly Rangers fans being sentenced over this when it was the Hibs and Celtic fans who invaded the pitch, incited the trouble and then started greeting like little fairys when a few Rangers fans fought back Incredible how quickly we forget that those manky bastards invaded the park assaulted our players and thousands stood goading our fans whilst the police did nothing. Still don't blame any Rangers supporter being on the park that day with the extreme provocation they suffered. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,622 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 27 minutes ago, Blue Nosed Babe said: I remember when Kenny Mitchell hammered ceptic fans after a jury trial. He handed out what I still think are the longest bans of 6 and 7 years and there was jail time as well. When was this? For what? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,622 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, Blue Nosed Babe said: That is why there is the Self Defence defence which covers defence of another. Defence of another. Not self defence of another. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
murzo 7,446 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 13 minutes ago, Blue Nosed Babe said: June 2012, Edward Ingram, Anthony Begely and Steven McGowan were convicted by a Jury of challenging hertz fans to fight after ceptic v hertz in 2009 Ingram and Begely had previous football related convictions Ingram got 2 years and a 7 year ban Begely got 15 months and a 7 year ban McGowan had no previous football convictions. He got 12 months and a 5 year ban. This was all before the 2012 act too. McGowan had his sentence quashed on appeal. Can't find anything about the other two but wouldn't be surprised if the same. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
murzo 7,446 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 17 minutes ago, Blue Nosed Babe said: June 2012, Edward Ingram, Anthony Begely and Steven McGowan were convicted by a Jury of challenging hertz fans to fight after ceptic v hertz in 2009 Ingram and Begely had previous football related convictions Ingram got 2 years and a 7 year ban Begely got 15 months and a 7 year ban McGowan had no previous football convictions. He got 12 months and a 5 year ban. This was all before the 2012 act too. McGowan had his sentence quashed on appeal. Can't find anything about the other two but wouldn't be surprised if the same. Why defend what is obvious Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barasa 802 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Jail for a fail:-( Will wish he had hurt him now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM63 2,177 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Well at least the bar has been set moderately high, if any of those who attacked our players and management ,,when apprehended (and that's a big ask) should get at least a third added on to that sentence. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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