It is time the King was dethroned

[cr3_bear 14,830]

20 minutes ago, Gaz52 said:

What? If you read this forum when Smith was in charge it was full of people moaning about our turgid football and the choice of McCulloch, Edu etc every week (his favourites they became to be known) 

And we spent millions on buying players under Smith, it's no big secret we were making champions league and were able to spend millions on a single player, that's often what won us games, the fact we had a £4m striker to score us a goal, even when the football was shocking to watch. 

All im saying is MW isn't unique in picking favourites etc. And he hasn't had even a half of the budget former managers had 

Fair enough his style of play was not the most pleasing on the eye but it was very productive and effective , the proof being the trophies which accompanied it . In saying that when it was going right it could be brilliant to watch , think about Christmas time in the 09-10 season when we went a run of games beating motherwell 6-1 , Dundee Utd at tannadice 3-0 hibs 4-1 at Easter road and Dundee Utd  7-1 . 

 But the point that it produced no end product just simply does not relate at all to Walters team , also where we really a low scoring team under Walter ? Even if we were , we could afford to be because we had a solid and fairly reliable  defence not conceding daft goals every other game down the other end . Also we were never in the situation where we only had 30 odd goals at February in the season . 

[HG5 11,112]

33 minutes ago, STEPPS BOY said:

We play attacking football??

 

i must be watching a different team..

I know that I've been crying out for football like I saw on Wednesday for 30 years...........

Not!!!

[Drunk and disorderly. 14,418]

I think the board, the management team and the players are to blame. 

The whole Rangers "team" needs to up their game or we won't get second place which is the bare minimum expected of them.

If we come third or lower there will be a total uproar!

[markem 7,251]

1 hour ago, Virtuoso said:

A counter piece to yesterdays article.

http://www.vanguardbears.co.uk/article.php?i=144&a=it-is-time-the-king-was-dethroned

In my mind allowances have to be made for the unique situation/timing MW finds himself as Rangers manager. I know others don't share that point of view, some do.  The reality is however the mitigating circumstances are irrelevant. Nothing around the last 4 years, the budget, all of that stuff regardless of opinion has any real impact on the worst of his mistakes.  

Anyone who watches us can see we have a couple of players in that team that are simply not good enough.  There has been ample opportunity and money spent to put that right.  We haven't.  

Only when you are very good can you go into games saying, this is how we set up and we will make no adjustments for you. We are nowhere near that good yet we set up the same way every game.  You can imagine the opposition team talk: press Rangers when they have possession, and when we have it get it out wide and fire a ball into the box - that simple.  

I'm gutted to be honest, I really like the man and I think he has qualities that make him an ideal Rangers manager however if he is not willing to see what is staring him in the face we will continue to be embarrassed and that's not good enough.  

 

 

[B1872 20,699]

Normally the Vanguard Bears are spot on. However in this case they are way off the mark! ??

[A.T.G 10,773]

I'm as pissed off as anyone but I've just had a thought, how does he invest if the resolution keeps getting blocked to increase shares, and also, how does it affect FFP going forward?

 

Not that I think he would put money forward if these weren't stumbling blocks anyway

[Blue Avenger 22,567]

1 hour ago, George Goudie said:

We need someone, it doesn't have to be King, my question would be who else? There's a gap in the books which needs to be filled in the short term. Either by King or by someone else. Like I said, if anyone has another suggestion I'd be more than happy to hear it.

Firstly, king is filling no gap in any books, that much is clear, so we wouldn't be replacing an investor with an investor, but replacing the position of Chairman, with one that does not have the baggage and possesses the integrity and esteem within the business community.

There's no end of businessmen out there, with the business acumen and leadership skills to take us forward, create wealth and get us on a path to success and sustainability. In fact there is a whole resource sector out there, that specialise in interim executive positions. The thing is, the self serving board have no interest in removing their incompetent Chairman, as they are all working to the same self serving agenda and you don't know what you don't know.

The other option is of course is an investor Chairman to take us over lock, stock and two smoking barrels. However, if there is a stalking horse out there, they will not reveal themselves until they strike, at the moment of our greatest weakness in financial distress and take us for a song.

The problem is, this current crew are not looking for anyone, but just keeping us ticking over to protect what they have, which is of detriment to success on the park due to lack of investment.

[The Dude 20,026]

3 minutes ago, Blue Avenger said:

Firstly, king is filling no gap in any books, that much is clear, so we wouldn't be replacing an investor with an investor, but replacing the position of Chairman, with one that does not have the baggage and possesses the integrity and esteem within the business community.

There's no end of businessmen out there, with the business acumen and leadership skills to take us forward, create wealth and get us on a path to success and sustainability. In fact there is a whole resource sector out there, that specialise in interim executive positions. The thing is, the self serving board have no interest in removing their incompetent Chairman, as they are all working to the same self serving agenda and you don't know what you don't know.

The other option is of course is an investor Chairman to take us over lock, stock and two smoking barrels. However, if there is a stalking horse out there, they will not reveal themselves until they strike, at the moment of our greatest weakness in financial distress and take us for a song.

The problem is, this current crew are not looking for anyone, but just keeping us ticking over to protect what they have, which is of detriment to success on the park due to lack of investment.

So who is filling the gap? Given we made a loss last year what will fill the shortfall created by an increase of £4m to the playing staff wage bill and spending over £3m on transfers this year?

[Guest]

I'm not a fan of Dave King or the board but don't think they're going anywhere so it's the manager who needs to go.

Would love nothing more for someone to come in with money and take over and bring in in a good manager but Dave King and Ashley antics have put off any potential investors

[Boybluesy 3,708]

41 minutes ago, markem said:

In my mind allowances have to be made for the unique situation/timing MW finds himself as Rangers manager. I know others don't share that point of view, some do.  The reality is however the mitigating circumstances are irrelevant. Nothing around the last 4 years, the budget, all of that stuff regardless of opinion has any real impact on the worst of his mistakes.  

Anyone who watches us can see we have a couple of players in that team that are simply not good enough.  There has been ample opportunity and money spent to put that right.  We haven't.  

Only when you are very good can you go into games saying, this is how we set up and we will make no adjustments for you. We are nowhere near that good yet we set up the same way every game.  You can imagine the opposition team talk: press Rangers when they have possession, and when we have it get it out wide and fire a ball into the box - that simple.  

I'm gutted to be honest, I really like the man and I think he has qualities that make him an ideal Rangers manager however if he is not willing to see what is staring him in the face we will continue to be embarrassed and that's not good enough.  

 

 

Sorry...there is more than a couple not good enough.  Much more. I honestly think he's lost it. Like a rabbit in the headlights.

[ab4113 124]

12 minutes ago, The Dude said:

So who is filling the gap? Given we made a loss last year what will fill the shortfall created by an increase of £4m to the playing staff wage bill and spending over £3m on transfers this year?

That was figures from us in the championship, we are now in the top league and earing more cash, through season nooks up a great deal, and sellouts practically every home game, so king will put fuck all in, he will ask the 'three bears' which is really only one that dips into his pocket George Letham, every other directors are thre to back slap and push through deals

[The Dude 20,026]

Just now, ab4113 said:

That was figures from us in the championship, we are now in the top league and earing more cash, through season nooks up a great deal, and sellouts practically every home game, so king will put fuck all in, he will ask the 'three bears' which is really only one that dips into his pocket George Letham, every other directors are thre to back slap and push through deals

The 4m increase happened from last season (as noted in the accounts) and the 3m spend on players came post-June 30 2016. We made £9.5m on 37000 STs last year. We've sold 42000 this season. That MIGHT cover the £3m that was spent on fees but it still leaves £4m needed just to cover the increase in wages.

[RFCHTID 51]

It doesn't matter if Warburton goes we will still be in the same position we are in.We need to be rid of King and the rest of the board.Get a new board in who is going to back the manager and give him some cash to play with.Warburton is trying to build a team with one arm tied behind his back.King promised to give the cash it hasn't worked out that way,we all know about the 30 mill promise,but what about the rest of the lies weve been fed,what about the lack of transparency.Sort the board out and the footballing side will take care of itself.

[The Dude 20,026]

3 minutes ago, RFCHTID said:

It doesn't matter if Warburton goes we will still be in the same position we are in.We need to be rid of King and the rest of the board.Get a new board in who is going to back the manager and give him some cash to play with.Warburton is trying to build a team with one arm tied behind his back.King promised to give the cash it hasn't worked out that way,we all know about the 30 mill promise,but what about the rest of the lies weve been fed,what about the lack of transparency.Sort the board out and the footballing side will take care of itself.

What are these lies?

[Jack The Flipper 5,936]

2 hours ago, The Dude said:

 It says we've spent 'just under 2.5m' yet according to the accounts we spent 3m on player acquisitions post June 30 in addition to increasing the wage-bill by £4m. It also completely ignores Warburton saying he could have went out and signed 15 players but it was about value and quality not quantity.

You must be King or off your rocket to defend the man.

You're arguing about petty little things, while staying away from the main issue.

Where's the transparency?

Where's the 30 mil etc?

Oh but Warburton doesn't really want to spend anything anyway, so it's ok...

Fucking hell.

[Guest]

How many managers are we going to "make allowances" for? Are we ever going to move forward from 2012? We should make no allowances and do everything possible to get back what's ours as soon as possible

[Guest]

Can a King backer please tell me what changed between Kings campaign and him buying the club and now?

He claimed to have 30 million to be spent over three years and now folk are saying we have no cash? 

Serious question. Can anyone answer it?

[The Dude 20,026]

Just now, Jack The Flipper said:

You must be King or off your rocket to defend the man.

You're arguing about petty little things, while staying away from the main issue.

Where's the transparency?

Where's the 30 mil etc?

Oh but Warburton doesn't really want to spend anything anyway, so it's ok...

Fucking hell.

The petty little things? It's kinda a big point of the article. 'where's ra money'? Warburton was given £7 million over the summer in fees and the increase to the wage bill. We spend more on first team players than Aberdeen and Hearts do staffing their entire clubs (playing squad included). It was never said by ANYONE we'd hand Warburton a massive transfer kitty to go out and spend.

What exactly is it you want to know in the interests of 'transparency' that the club haven't been open about?

 

[Blue Avenger 22,567]

1 hour ago, Zappa6995 said:

I'm no fan of King but ffs.

Is it Kings team selection, tactics, substitutions etc. ?

King has engendered a culture of failure. From his lies, to his spin, to his under investment, to his team aspirations (second) and to appointing a rookie manager who is clueless.

All because of his self serving austerity agenda to maximise and protect his paltry share investment.

[The Dude 20,026]

3 minutes ago, Willis said:

Can a King backer please tell me what changed between Kings campaign and him buying the club and now?

He claimed to have 30 million to be spent over three years and now folk are saying we have no cash? 

Serious question. Can anyone answer it?

We spent 7m over the summer in increased wages and transfer fees.

King and co have put in 13m in unsecured loans so that's roughly half the figure in half the time

[The Dude 20,026]

2 minutes ago, Blue Avenger said:

King has engendered a culture of failure. From his lies, to his spin, to his under investment, to his team aspirations (second) and to appointing a rookie manager who is clueless.

All because of his self serving austerity agenda to maximise and protect his paltry share investment.

How does a culture of failure maximise his investment?

[Johnny Dangerously 7,562]

Yes it is.

[Jack The Flipper 5,936]

4 minutes ago, The Dude said:

The petty little things? It's kinda a big point of the article. 'where's ra money'? Warburton was given £7 million over the summer in fees and the increase to the wage bill. We spend more on first team players than Aberdeen and Hearts do staffing their entire clubs (playing squad included). It was never said by ANYONE we'd hand Warburton a massive transfer kitty to go out and spend.

What exactly is it you want to know in the interests of 'transparency' that the club haven't been open about?

 

Incredible

 

 

[Blue Avenger 22,567]

3 minutes ago, The Dude said:

How does a culture of failure maximise his investment?

Work it out for yourself. You can't, because you don't know what you don't know. You can always try of course.

[The Dude 20,026]

Just now, Blue Avenger said:

Work it out for yourself. You can't, because you don't know what you don't know. You can always try of course.

Then please, explain for those of us not as knowledgable as yourself.