Pedro, gambles, Robertson, tactics ..

[K.A.I 36,183]

Just now, The Dude said:

My mistake, you gave him a game or two before deciding he didn't have it in him.

 

 

I was happy for him to be interim until the end of the season regardless of the couple of bad results at the start. He finished strongly and I didn't want him to step aside tbh. 

Even with the couple of bad results at the start of his reign I still thought it was sensible to keep him on until the end of the season and not rush the managerial appointment as it needed a whole lot more consideration than appointing Pedro the way we did. 

[The Dude 20,026]

Just now, K.A.I said:

I was happy for him to be interim until the end of the season regardless of the couple of bad results at the start. He finished strongly and I didn't want him to step aside tbh. 

Even with the couple of bad results at the start of his reign I still thought it was sensible to keep him on until the end of the season and not rush the managerial appointment as it needed a whole lot more consideration than appointing Pedro the way we did. 

 

"If it was up to me his job in the under's set-up would be untenable too. I don't want someone who can't grasp the same basics as Warburton back in charge of the kids, either."

 

[Juniorsparkie 491]

1 hour ago, Young Bob said:

"Im sick saying that mastering Scottish football isn't rocket science. You need to build a spine of a team starting from defence, be organised and have a winning mentality. We need a strong manager and some funds - not some revolutionary gamble."

Pedro has yet to sign a player.

But if he is a Manager at all, he could at least make us hard to beat with what's there, he hasn't.

Just so Fuckin Depressing.

Another Fuckin Taig DVD x 10000.

[K.A.I 36,183]

2 minutes ago, The Dude said:

 

"If it was up to me his job in the under's set-up would be untenable too. I don't want someone who can't grasp the same basics as Warburton back in charge of the kids, either."

 

That ties in with what I said about not wanting him after the couple of bad results, doesn't it? you posted that like there's a big contradiction when it's only what I said myself a couple of posts ago.

My issue is you saying I never wanted him because his Dad was a Celtic fan which was bollocks. I stuck up for him on that and even said after the Celtic game at Parkhead that if you watch his celebration in the dug out that wasn't the mark of a tarrier. No chance.

 

[gmcf 34,126]

1 minute ago, The Dude said:

When the club made it clear they were looking for an immediate appointment FdB wanted nothing to do with it. We never even got as far as discussing finances with him for it to be an issue.

They really shouldn't have been so rigid in their decision making . 

Dont get me wrong , I thought it made sense to get someone in straight away to prepare them for next season , but if someone with a higher calibre than any of the rest of them says I'll come in 4 months , I'd have waited and let GM finish the season . 

[The Dude 20,026]

Just now, K.A.I said:

That ties in with what I said about not wanting him after the couple of bad results, doesn't it? you posted that like there's a big contradiction.

My issue is you saying I never wanted him because his Dad was a Celtic fan which was bollocks. I stuck up for him on that and even said after the Celtic game at Parkhead that if you watch his celebration in the dug out that wasn't the mark of a tarrier. No chance.

 

So it's just reactionary based on that given weeks result?

I acknowledged I was wrong on that and corrected myself to it being after a few games, which was completely correct.

[The Dude 20,026]

1 minute ago, gmcf said:

They really shouldn't have been so rigid in their decision making . 

Dont get me wrong , I thought it made sense to get someone in straight away to prepare them for next season , but if someone with a higher calibre than any of the rest of them says I'll come in 4 months , I'd have waited and let GM finish the season . 

Then you have the prospect of someone who was brought in specifically for his experience of developing youngsters being taken away from the for four months while FdB tops his tan up.

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Scottish football is on a planet in its own galaxy ! For foreign coaches and managers to quickly understand the football style, the mhedia,the SFA that runs it and also the demands that our club make for every game never mind a season is way too much for probably 95 percent of them.

The man understands better than Warburton what it takes here and he has learned quickly. FFS MW even had Weir to help him and he never grasped it.

I hope PC makes it and has a decent squad to progress but he needs funds serious funds because tactics alone or man management will help fuck all.

[K.A.I 36,183]

6 minutes ago, The Dude said:

So it's just reactionary based on that given weeks result?

I acknowledged I was wrong on that and corrected myself to it being after a few games, which was completely correct.

Yeah it would have been reactionary, so what? quick question, though - did I say anywhere in these posts your digging up that we should terminate his caretaker role and appoint someone like Pedro? if I did I was wrong. With hindsight. 

I even said in another thread I don't think he was a great coach but he's still better than Warburton and Pedro. 

I can admit if I've got it wrong. You made a fool of yourself accusing me of saying stuff I didn't about his Dad being a fenian and now your on a mission searching my other posts furiously trying to catch me out and redeem yourself  away wank to the the under 20's or smoke hash until ye pass out dude. 

 

 

[gmcf 34,126]

3 minutes ago, The Dude said:

Then you have the prospect of someone who was brought in specifically for his experience of developing youngsters being taken away from the for four months while FdB tops his tan up.

I suppose it does , but it's about the first team first and foremost and I'm sure there would be plenty of back up at Auchenhowie to handle a few months . 

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Just now, K.A.I said:

Yeah it would have been reactionary, so what? quick question, though - did I say anywhere in these posts your digging up that we should terminate his caretaker roll and appoint someone like Pedro? if I did I was wrong. With hindsight. 

I even said in another thread I don't think he was a great coach but he's still better than Warburton and Pedro. 

I can admit if I've got it wrong. You made a fool of yourself accusing me of saying stuff I didn't about his Dad being a fenian and now your on a mission searching my other posts furiously trying to catch me out and redeem yourself  away wank to the the under 20's or smoke hash until ye pass out dude. 

 

 

You asked someone to look out the posts. I did exactly as you asked. I searched the posts all at the same time. It's really easy to do using the search function.

Don't tell me the U20s have replaced the tentacle porn now and tbh, I'm away to drink whisky til I pass out instead. Been a long time since I ko'd smoking weed.

Mind you, it's funny you think someone going out their way to report on the U20s and the players coming through the academy is 'wanking to them', there was me thinking it was me finding a way to generate traffic for GTBFO and give the U20s some coverage that is sorely lacking from the club. What a terrible thing of me to do.

[The Dude 20,026]

5 minutes ago, gmcf said:

I suppose it does , but it's about the first team first and foremost and I'm sure there would be plenty of back up at Auchenhowie to handle a few months . 

You'd be VERY surprised by that. His number 20 with the 20s (Davie McCallum) was working with both the senior and u20 squads in his absence with Colin Stewart and Creag Robertson.

[K.A.I 36,183]

1 minute ago, The Dude said:

You asked someone to look out the posts. I did exactly as you asked. I searched the posts all at the same time. It's really easy to do using the search function.

Don't tell me the U20s have replaced the tentacle porn now and tbh, I'm away to drink whisky til I pass out instead. Been a long time since I ko'd smoking weed.

Mind you, it's funny you think someone going out their way to report on the U20s and the players coming through the academy is 'wanking to them', there was me thinking it was me finding a way to generate traffic for GTBFO and give the U20s some coverage that is sorely lacking from the club. What a terrible thing of me to do.

I know it's easy to do. I just done it for the first time about ten minutes ago to prove you wrong of what you accused me of.

I think your another potential trough guzzler in the making to be honest. Your blogs, your meetings, your reporting of unders games etc. Your upto something. Did you apply for the SLO or something? or do you have something else in mind longterm? 

[The Dude 20,026]

17 minutes ago, K.A.I said:

I know it's easy to do. I just done it for the first time about ten minutes ago to prove you wrong of what you accused me of.

I think your another potential trough guzzler in the making to be honest. Your blogs, your meetings, your reporting of unders games etc. Your upto something. Did you apply for the SLO or something? or do you have something else in mind longterm? 

I didn't apply for the SLO job. Applied for a couple previously and not been successful. 

Only thing I'm up to is what I'm paid by SB Nation to do. I've no desire to work for Rangers now (or likely in the future) having seen first-hand how things are dealt with. I've been doing this four years now after becoming pissed off with the slanted shite I read in the papers everyday. 

Meetings? Genuinely no idea what meetings you're talking about. 

EDIT: If I was a trough-guzzler (or potentially one) do you think I'd have been the one to 'break' the MOH no show story and piss off several higher-ups at Ibrox?

[Blue72 1,102]

Perspective: 

if beerman wasn't naive and conceded the penalty I'm not sure the game would've turned as it did 

our pressing was working and we seemed to control the game ok to that point, when griffiths scored it was game over 

early stage of the game to be fair but definitely much improved from the start st hampden

as a side once we concede regardless against who we just collapse 

theres a real morale issue in the squad they're psychologically brittle and that will never work at a team with our demands 

not sure that Pedro is a good fit but happy to back him, as he said after the game big changes required in the squad in summer 

let's see where we are by xmas but horrible feeling we'll be shuffling him out the door and trying to get Mccinnes in place 

[Bakbear 3,586]

Just now, Blue72 said:

Perspective: 

if beerman wasn't naive and conceded the penalty I'm not sure the game would've turned as it did 

our pressing was working and we seemed to control the game ok to that point, when griffiths scored it was game over 

early stage of the game to be fair but definitely much improved from the start st hampden

as a side once we concede regardless against who we just collapse 

theres a real morale issue in the squad they're psychologically brittle and that will never work at a team with our demands 

not sure that Pedro is a good fit but happy to back him, as he said after the game big changes required in the squad in summer 

let's see where we are by xmas but horrible feeling we'll be shuffling him out the door and trying to get Mccinnes in place 

It was headless chicken stuff for the first 7 minutes until Beerman has his brain fart.... we were not controlling the game for 7 minutes, we were running around daft with very little in the way of formation that was obvious. After that our midfield was utterly powder puff, the gap between midfield and front was massive, all the same problems that were there last week were in evidence again. We couldn't get the ball and we couldn't hold it when we did get it, they had 63% possession first half. We had one shot on target the whole game. We had one fucking corner..... make no mistake this was the most embarrassing performance against the Scum in my lifetime

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Just now, Bakbear said:

It was headless chicken stuff for the first 7 minutes until Beerman has his brain fart.... we were not controlling the game for 7 minutes, we were running around daft with very little in the way of formation that was obvious. After that our midfield was utterly powder puff, the gap between midfield and front was massive, all the same problems that were there last week were in evidence again. We couldn't get the ball and we couldn't hold it when we did get it, they had 63% possession first half. We had one shot on target the whole game. We had one fucking corner..... make no mistake this was the most embarrassing performance against the Scum in my lifetime

There was improvement though from last week and more fight before their first goal when we went to shit 

I think the formation was naive, poorly executed 

Beerman had a shocker but he's young and it was naive to expect him to perform consistently in games like this - that's in the manager 

I've seen more fight from tav but no quality.  Miller was the only one who looked to be pushing the game. 

Insure whether Pedro will be able to get enough quality in summer to build something but sorely needed this squad are lightweight and lacking in technical ability which really limits the formation we can play, especially in this physical league 

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29 minutes ago, The Dude said:

I didn't apply for the SLO job. Applied for a couple previously and not been successful. 

Only thing I'm up to is what I'm paid by SB Nation to do. I've no desire to work for Rangers now (or likely in the future) having seen first-hand how things are dealt with. I've been doing this four years now after becoming pissed off with the slanted shite I read in the papers everyday. 

Meetings? Genuinely no idea what meetings you're talking about. 

EDIT: If I was a trough-guzzler (or potentially one) do you think I'd have been the one to 'break' the MOH no show story and piss off several higher-ups at Ibrox?

Do you just come on here looking for an argument with folk? Your shite that you were talking the other week about Neil McCann being useless and JJ being a much better local coach for us has really come to fruition as well ?. Dundee won today btw, whilst we've been absolutely pumped twice in a week by that mob. I'm sure JJ has provided some considerable 'local' knowledge since his arrival.

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2 hours ago, K.A.I said:

I've made some of these points in the match thread already but some of it needs said again.

This managerial appointment was supposed to be the most important in our history given where we were. Anyone with a brain knew this yet Stewart Robertson and his wee interview panel decided to go with the one thing we couldn't do (a gamble)

It's an absolute fact that he was recommended to us by Pedro Mendes, we gave him an interview and he came across well at the interview so we gave him the job on the strength of that rather than merit or anything he's achieved in the game. That's fucking ridiculous.

In true Rangers fashion we give this bullfighting mug a 4-year contract meaning that if he is shite, it will probably cost us anywhere from 500k to 1-million quid to sack him if it appears quickly he's not the right man for us.

It's absolutely correct that he's been dealt a shite hand with the shite Warburton signed and left him but he knew that when he accepted the job. There's a lot more to being a manager than that. Good managers can still do a job with shite players - it's been documented loads elsewhere. If he got a result today or last weekend he'd have got all the credit too, and rightly so.

THAT TARRIER TEAM THAT PLAYED US OFF THE PARK AND DOMINATED US TODAY, LITERALLY 90% OF THEM WERE HERE LAST SEASON UNDER DELIA. LET THAT SINK IN WHEN MAKING THE EXCUSES FOR PEDRO ABOUT BEING LEFT WITH WARBURTON'S SHITE. 

The key is that above is "good managers" - Pedro isn't. 

We are quickly at the same stage as we were with Warburton where we know we need serious funds to improve the team but if we do get them, has Pedro shown enough so far to justify giving him the funds to spend? how can we find ourself in this fucked-up position twice in quick succession? 

Pedro is a knowledgable guy with tactics and ideas and philosophies coming out his pours - that's why he's suited to being a number two at some other team with a more technical infustructure. 

Someone earlier said he's the Portugese Ian Cathro. That's 100% correct.

It's not the time to have a pop at other fans on here but I'm hoping this is a wake-up moment for the people on here who seems to be taken in time and time against by the bluster and bullshite when we've got managers like Warburton and Pedro who talk absolute tactical pish and buy into it thinking it's what we need when it isn't. Likewise this director of football pish. 

I'm sick saying that mastering Scottish football isn't rocket science. You need to build a spine of a team starting from defence, be organised and have a winning mentality. We need a strong manager and some funds - not some revolutionary gamble. 

Does anyone ever get the feeling that we're just being trolled and laughed at by the club? I do. We've got a boardroom full of liars, self serving wankers and people that's out of their depth. 

Murty (after a couple of bad results early on, granted) was able to put his stamp on this team, get them organised and stuck in. I'd happily pay Pedro off and give it back to Murty until the summer and have the money for Pedro's termination come straight out Robertson's fucking pocket.

Yes like Murty  did a good job in the cup final the other day 3-0, it comes to levels.  Murty had one off game where we got a draw where Celtic were determine not to repeat performance wise. Celtic are just better player for player and they are playing with a confidence where's our limited ability players are making basic errors like Halliday last week and Beerman this week.  

 

Brenda has had all season with a settled side to work with where as pedro has to come in after fiasco after fiasco at the end of the season.

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1 minute ago, broxi51 said:

Yes like Murty  did a good job in the cup final the other day 3-0, it comes to levels.  Murty had one off game where we got a draw where Celtic were determine not to repeat performance wise. Celtic are just better player for player and they are playing with a confidence where's our limited ability players are making basic errors like Halliday last week and Beerman this week.  

 

Brenda has had all season with a settled side to work with where as pedro has to come in after fiasco after fiasco at the end of the season.

We are forever being told under 20 results don't matter though 

I'm going on with what I eventually seen when he made his mark on the first team of ours 

it's a question of faith if you think that Pedro having 6 months more to work with they players will work out fine then that's upto you 

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2 hours ago, K.A.I said:

I think you under-estimate the power that having every Rangers fan in 100% agreement and a concensus going foward can have. 

Even if it is just an internet forum, people can take their opinions into real life and with other people and eventually it can snowball a bit and maybe, just maybe the pressure is on.

You obviously think it does no good which is fine, but is it a bad thing either if everyone online wakes upto the problems? 

That will never happen mate, I watched and then got involved with the happy clapper fools today. 

We have Rangers men in charge and as some are concerned that's all we need. 

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2 hours ago, weshallnotbemoved! said:

The majority of that tarrier side were there last year, its just that Brenda has them playing better. Pedro isn't the answer. We could have got better for our money.

The difference is, they had decent players who were underperforming because their manager kept changing things, we have shite players who are underperforming and aren't capable or willing to carry out the managers instructions.

Patrick Roberts is probably worth as much as our starting 11, our best players this season are nearly 40, Sinclair has scored something like 25 goals, giant forehead who scored a lot of goals at this level last year has been kept out their team. A Celtic team "struggling" under Delia still did a shit load better than we are doing because they still had quality players

It's all very well saying the manager is at fault but none of the players out there today can look at themselves and claim to have put 100% effort in, we never matched them for mettle never mind ability, that's the biggest problem.

Embarrassing that we're no where near them in quality and even more that we're not matching them for effort

[RDFM 3,809]

2 hours ago, The Dude said:

He wanted it on condition he could sit on his arse until this season ended. Club wanted someone in immediately.

Not a chance we sacrificed getting a premium manager like FDB in favour of Pedro just because he wanted it next season. 

[Ger_onimo 20,488]

2 hours ago, K.A.I said:

I'd have thought Murty until the end of the season until Frank De Boer came in would be perfect.

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22 minutes ago, K.A.I said:

We are forever being told under 20 results don't matter though 

I'm going on with what I eventually seen when he made his mark on the first team of ours 

it's a question of faith if you think that Pedro having 6 months more to work with they players will work out fine then that's upto you 

I don't see pedro being the problem.

halliday and beerman last week made basic errors to cost us goals and put us on the back foot.  That's not the main problem for me.  We simply lack a midfield to get us back on the front foot or control a game.

 

rossiter, Barton, kranjcar, crooks, Windass, McKay, Halliday, holt were our choices at the start of the season, not one has been a success this season, hyndman and toral been loaned in have hardly been a great success either one unfit and injury prone and the other far too lightweight.  You are not going to go toe to toe with Celtic with our midfield, and you can't rely on our players to stay focused to cut out the mistakes to play smith's ufea cup tactics.

Our midfield is a far bigger concern than our manager.  Our defence had to deal with swarms of attacks from their midfielders cause our midfield were non existent.