Mayweather vs McGregor - August 26th

[KingKaiJohansen 118]

7 minutes ago, lidorfc said:

 Fucking love watching Damien Maia, him and Nurmagomedov are probably my 2 favourite MMA fighters, love watching grappling based fighters that are genuine masters of their craft. 

 

Agree with that mate, Khabib missing weight was one of the biggest disappointments ever, the Ferguson fight will be amazing if they finally get it sorted. 

[lidorfc 6,665]

5 hours ago, KingKaiJohansen said:

Agree with that mate, Khabib missing weight was one of the biggest disappointments ever, the Ferguson fight will be amazing if they finally get it sorted. 

Khabib did an interview yesterday saying he's looking to return in the fall against Ferguson, I was fucking gutted that fight never happened, it was the one fight everyone was excited for, more so than the main event.

[lidorfc 6,665]

On 17/06/2017 at 5:09 PM, BenLui said:

MMA 5 rounds, boxing 12 rounds. Says it all really. Stupid bout and can see the taig when getting punched all over the ring using his legs out of habit. 

That MMA is a more physically demanding sport?

[William McBeath 2,154]

8 hours ago, KingKaiJohansen said:

For a start you said they knee to the head when on the ground, which is banned. 

Also it's not all "rush and leathering cunts" ... one of the biggest aspect of MMA these days is Brazilian Jui-Jitsu. Damian Mia is about to challenge for a belt and he barely throws a punch. 

And to say boxing is an art and clever to watch but MMA isn't is very naive, especially considering you know very little about it. 

And for the record I think the fight will go the distance, which is hugely embarrassing for boxing. If Floyd got in a cage with McGregor it wouldn't last 60 seconds. 

So apart from a throw away comment about kneeing you mean the rest was right. I said they are skilful but it is much more frantic and the rest of what I said like running attacks, quick brutal KO's, fight over in a blink, leathering cunts lying on the deck, and so different from boxing.

I obviously wound you up because your a fan of MMA but I wasn't slagging it off. It's just different from boxing. If you like seeing an all out fight then that would be what you watch.

Of course he'd win in a cage. That's what I'm saying. The fight is a joke. Anybody else has to win 30 odds matches to fight Mayweather. McGregor really has no hope of winning it as a boxing contest. He can only win by KO. He's a cage fighter so as an actual boxing match it will be a farce. If it was to somehow last the distance it will be a complete shut out as a boxing contest. Mcgregor won't win a round against this guy. These guys are masters at their own game. No doubt it's the same for McGregor in MMA.

[lidorfc 6,665]

5 hours ago, William McBeath said:

So apart from a throw away comment about kneeing you mean the rest was right. I said they are skilful but it is much more frantic and the rest of what I said like running attacks, quick brutal KO's, fight over in a blink, leathering cunts lying on the deck, and so different from boxing.

I obviously wound you up because your a fan of MMA but I wasn't slagging it off. It's just different from boxing. If you like seeing an all out fight then that would be what you watch.

Of course he'd win in a cage. That's what I'm saying. The fight is a joke. Anybody else has to win 30 odds matches to fight Mayweather. McGregor really has no hope of winning it as a boxing contest. He can only win by KO. He's a cage fighter so as an actual boxing match it will be a farce. If it was to somehow last the distance it will be a complete shut out as a boxing contest. Mcgregor won't win a round against this guy. These guys are masters at their own game. No doubt it's the same for McGregor in MMA.

You just displayed a lack of knowledge of the sport mate, it would be like me commenting on cricket, I don't because I don't have a clue about cricket.

[William McBeath 2,154]

Just now, lidorfc said:

You just displayed a lack of knowledge of the sport mate, it would be like me commenting on cricket, I don't because I don't have a clue about cricket.

 

1 minute ago, lidorfc said:

You just displayed a lack of knowledge of the sport mate, it would be like me commenting on cricket, I don't because I don't have a clue about cricket.

But that's what you see. I've seen it plenty of times. What things have I said that don't happen in MMA. They do fight on the grounds, they do use rush tactics. Got to laugh at this reaction from MMA fans. I'm saying what I've seen in most of the MMA fights I've seen. You'd think I'm making stuff up. Do you think these guys don't fight on the deck or what I've described? Do they not kick or hit cunts on the deck? 

[lidorfc 6,665]

5 hours ago, William McBeath said:

 

But that's what you see. I've seen it plenty of times. What things have I said that don't happen in MMA. They do fight on the grounds, they do use rush tactics. Got to laugh at this reaction from MMA fans. I'm saying what I've seen in most of the MMA fights I've seen. You'd think I'm making stuff up. Do you think these guys don't fight on the deck or what I've described? Do they not kick or hit cunts on the deck? 

 You said there is little emphasis on defence, I've already explained how that is completely wrong, it's so wrong that it makes it look like you've barely any understanding of the sport. Yes they do fight on the ground, but the ground game is not a brutal aspect of the sport, the ground game is dominated grappling and submissions, few fights get stopped due to ground and pound. You said there are guaranteed kos, simply not true, plenty of fights go the distance.  You can laugh all you want but that doesn't change the fact that you are spouting nonsense from a position of ignorance.

[lidorfc 6,665]

And even when ground and pound is occurring, the fighters have trained to defend in those positions, that's why you'll see them block from their back, trap arms, use butterfly guard to create distance and so on.

[William McBeath 2,154]

Just now, lidorfc said:

 You said there is little emphasis on defence, I've already explained how that is completely wrong, it's so wrong that it makes it look like you've barely any understanding of the sport. Yes they do fight on the ground, but the ground game is not a brutal aspect of the sport, the ground game is dominated grappling and submissions, few fights get stopped due to ground and pound. You said there are guaranteed kos, simply not true, plenty of fights go the distance.  You can laugh all you want but that doesn't change the fact that you are spouting nonsense from a position of ignorance.

I don't follow it because every time I have seen it the things I've said happen. I'm not saying their not skilful or you don't get full fights or ones that are different with more punching and staying on feet but I'm saying you see the stuff I mention all the time. It's not ignorance to use evidence from the sport itself. What do you think makes MMA different from boxing? It's obvious. It's why this guy McGregor is going to try an all out attack in the early rounds but lose every round. They can't fight like that because they are used to doing all the stuff I've mentioned. Wait and see how lost he is in that boxing ring without the kicks and grappling or hitting the floor. Or how poor his defence is. It's because he'll be half naked without all the extras he can do in MMA.

[lidorfc 6,665]

5 hours ago, William McBeath said:

I don't follow it because every time I have seen it the things I've said happen. I'm not saying their not skilful or you don't get full fights or ones that are different with more punching and staying on feet but I'm saying you see the stuff I mention all the time. It's not ignorance to use evidence from the sport itself. What do you think makes MMA different from boxing? It's obvious. It's why this guy McGregor is going to try an all out attack in the early rounds but lose every round. They can't fight like that because they are used to doing all the stuff I've mentioned. Wait and see how lost he is in that boxing ring without the kicks and grappling or hitting the floor. Or how poor his defence is. It's because he'll be half naked without all the extras he can do in MMA.

When you say there is little emphasis on defence you are clearly speaking from a position of ignorance, because that is only a position one would take with poor understanding of the sport, that's what I've taken issue with here and you know that because you've not addressed it despite it being my main argument. I know he'll be lost in a boxing ring, he has never trained to even have ring craft, Mayweather will be setting traps for him all fight long, fighting in a circle, which the octagon is essentially, movement wise and fighting in a  square ring with 4 90 degree angles are completely different, navigating the ring requires real skill, to which Mayweather is a master.   Why you are taking me disagreeing with you about this as somehow me thinking McGregor will win or wont get schooled is absolutely beyond me, especially since Ive already said I can't wait to watch Mayweather school him in boxing.

[KingKaiJohansen 118]

1 hour ago, William McBeath said:

So apart from a throw away comment about kneeing you mean the rest was right. I said they are skilful but it is much more frantic and the rest of what I said like running attacks, quick brutal KO's, fight over in a blink, leathering cunts lying on the deck, and so different from boxing.

I obviously wound you up because your a fan of MMA but I wasn't slagging it off. It's just different from boxing. If you like seeing an all out fight then that would be what you watch.

Of course he'd win in a cage. That's what I'm saying. The fight is a joke. Anybody else has to win 30 odds matches to fight Mayweather. McGregor really has no hope of winning it as a boxing contest. He can only win by KO. He's a cage fighter so as an actual boxing match it will be a farce. If it was to somehow last the distance it will be a complete shut out as a boxing contest. Mcgregor won't win a round against this guy. These guys are masters at their own game. No doubt it's the same for McGregor in MMA.

You just ignoring the rest of what I said ? You're talking about someone attacking a guy on the floor and I mentioned BJJ which has NO striking what so ever. 

Im not even going to bother replying after this, you're just showing yourself up as ignorant. 

[lidorfc 6,665]

Now if you said there's little emphasis on boxing defence I could agree, but that is simply because fighters need to train in  kickboxing/muay Thai, wrestling, clench grappling, jiu jitsu, strength and conditioning and straight boxing defence is just not that useful in MMA, especially the type of boxing defence that mayweather utilises so beautifully, the shoulder roll.

[William McBeath 2,154]

1 minute ago, lidorfc said:

When you say there is little emphasis on defence you are clearly speaking from a position of ignorance, because that is only a position one would take with poor understanding of the sport, that's what I've taken issue with here and you know that because you've not addressed it despite it being my gain argument. I know he'll be lost in a boxing ring, he has never trained to even have ring craft, Mayweather will be setting traps for him all fight long, fighting in a circle, which the octagon is essentially, movement wise and fighting in a  square ring with 4 90 degree angles are completely different, navigating the ring requires real skill, to which Mayweather is a master.   Why you are taking me disagreeing with you about this as somehow me thinking McGregor will win or wont get schooled is absolutely beyond me, especially since Ive already said I can't wait to watch Mayweather school him in boxing.

Couldn't remember your other post about seeing him get schooled. I was talking about the fight overall as him getting beat is in a large part to do with being poor on their feet and using hands compared to a boxer. It is because of the different rules and even ring craft but the actual skill level with the punching is huge. Same with defending. Its why Mayweather will win so easily because he will be able to hit and not get hit. So both attacking and defence wise the MMA will be schooled like you say. I'd say the defensive difference will be the more striking. That's my opinion of MMA. I suppose it must have sounded like me slagging it. It's not what I meant as I said it's skilful but watch this things and you'll see what I mean about defence.

[lidorfc 6,665]

5 hours ago, William McBeath said:

Couldn't remember your other post about seeing him get schooled. I was talking about the fight overall as him getting beat is in a large part to do with being poor on their feet and using hands compared to a boxer. It is because of the different rules and even ring craft but the actual skill level with the punching is huge. Same with defending. Its why Mayweather will win so easily because he will be able to hit and not get hit. So both attacking and defence wise the MMA will be schooled like you say. I'd say the defensive difference will be the more striking. That's my opinion of MMA. I suppose it must have sounded like me slagging it. It's not what I meant as I said it's skilful but watch this things and you'll see what I mean about defence.

I know what you mean about defence and the difference in skill level being huge, see my previous post. I just took your original post as a characterization that mma is just people going gung ho and throwing caution to the wind, because that's how it read. Their levels of boxing defence and offence are so drastically different that I just don't see how McGregor can win that fight, he can only win that fight by a fluke and even then it would require a huge fucking fluke.

[William McBeath 2,154]

2 hours ago, KingKaiJohansen said:

You just ignoring the rest of what I said ? You're talking about someone attacking a guy on the floor and I mentioned BJJ which has NO striking what so ever. 

Im not even going to bother replying after this, you're just showing yourself up as ignorant. 

Aye ok 

I was only saying what happens in MMA fights. I'm not saying they ain't skilful or don't try and block stuff but everything I said happens all the time. Unless my eyes are playing tricks on me. It's why these posts are trying to nit pick when I was generalising. Everything I've said happens happens all the time in MMA. It's why this Conor will be useless in a boxing ring. I'm still waiting on what it is that I've seen in MMA that not true of them every time you watch some fights. 

I would post video evidence just to prove my point. The fight will do that anyway. Wait till you see how wild Conor looks compared to how accurate Floyd is. Watch how he can hit McGregor all the time because his defensive abilities are so poor. I'm actually being more respectful to MMA than it probably deserves here. The fight will show the difference in skill when it comes to pure fist fighting.

[William McBeath 2,154]

8 minutes ago, lidorfc said:

I know what you mean about defence and the difference in skill level being huge, see my previous post. I just took your original post as a characterization that mma is just people going gung ho and throwing caution to the wind, because that's how it read. Their levels of boxing defence and offence are so drastically different that I just don't see how McGregor can win that fight, he can only win that fight by a fluke and even then it would require a huge fucking fluke.

Re-reading it I can see why MMA people have bitten here. Was too scathing like you say 

Boxing just more specific because they have less to focus on or worry about than MMA. Your right though. I made it sound like a pair of headless chickens throwing themselves at each other every fight. Never meant that lol

 

[lidorfc 6,665]

5 hours ago, William McBeath said:

Re-reading it I can see why MMA people have bitten here. Was too scathing like you say 

Boxing just more specific because they have less to focus on or worry about than MMA. Your right though. I made it sound like a pair of headless chickens throwing themselves at each other every fight. Never meant that lol

 

 

5 hours ago, William McBeath said:

Re-reading it I can see why MMA people have bitten here. Was too scathing like you say 

Boxing just more specific because they have less to focus on or worry about than MMA. Your right though. I made it sound like a pair of headless chickens throwing themselves at each other every fight. Never meant that lol

 

That's exactly it. It would be the same if you put McGregor in a jiu jitsu fight with Damien Maia (5 time world jiu jitsu champ), he would not stand a chance. These are specialists, you have to be a specialist to beat them and McGregor is just not a specialist in boxing, he's an exceptional fighter, he's an amateur boxer.

[Band of Brothers 10,303]

PPV £77 

[Mr Soprano 13,964]

1 minute ago, Band of Brothers said:

PPV £77 

Surely no

[Ryan_1 1,136]

Won't be that price in UK.

If Bt Sport get it, which is highly possible you'll get the fight for the price of a subscription to their channel.

If Sky Sports get it, It'll be the price of their usual PPV price, around £20.

[Band of Brothers 10,303]

11 minutes ago, Mr Soprano said:

Surely no

Just seen it £77 UK and $99 US 

[Band of Brothers 10,303]

3 minutes ago, Ryan_1 said:

Won't be that price in UK.

If Bt Sport get it, which is highly possible you'll get the fight for the price of a subscription to their channel.

If Sky Sports get it, It'll be the price of their usual PPV price, around £20.

FLOYD MAYWEATHER’S superfight against Conor McGregor will cost a staggering £77.60 ($99.99) to watch on pay-per-view.

American fans will have to dig deep into their pockets to watch the Las Vegas showdown in HD, with standard definition still costing an eye-watering £69.85 ($89.99)

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/3990323/conor-mcgregor-vs-floyd-mayweather-ppv-price/

[Ryan_1 1,136]

1 minute ago, Band of Brothers said:

FLOYD MAYWEATHER’S superfight against Conor McGregor will cost a staggering £77.60 ($99.99) to watch on pay-per-view.

American fans will have to dig deep into their pockets to watch the Las Vegas showdown in HD, with standard definition still costing an eye-watering £69.85 ($89.99)

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/3990323/conor-mcgregor-vs-floyd-mayweather-ppv-price/

If you buy through the Showtime App.

Showtime isn't a channel accessible on UK TV, it won't be exclusive to just Showtime in the UK.

There will be a bidding war between Sky Sports and BT Sport for the UK rights.

[Band of Brothers 10,303]

Just now, Ryan_1 said:

If you buy through the Showtime App.

Showtime isn't a channel accessible on UK TV, it won't be exclusive to just Showtime in the UK.

There will be a bidding war between Sky Sports and BT Sport for the UK rights.

Ah ok still probably be the most expensive PPV we will see thank fuck I have sportsmania as wouldn't line any of those two's pockets.

[Ryan_1 1,136]

Just now, Band of Brothers said:

Ah ok still probably be the most expensive PPV we will see thank fuck I have sportsmania as wouldn't line any of those two's pockets.

Aye I'm hoping it's BT over Sky so I don't have to pay any extra. 

If Sky do get it I'd imagine they'll charge more than they're usual, but can't see it being near £77.