bear86 41 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Since 433 isn't working as we are getting overrun in midfield, but Pedro seems determined to have three up top, would a move to the fashionable 3-4-3 be a way to go? you have Alves in the centre of the three directing bates and Cardoso. Wallace and Tav, who are poor defenders have more freedom as wing backs. Two in the centre. And three up front more narrow to work off each other. possible starting 11 as things stand Wes cardoso alves bates Tav. Wallace Jack Pena Candeias Herrera Morelos with miller and rossiter coming on as subs. Obviously if we get Dorrans and walker they could replace a couple Grasping at straws after last nights disaster but if these are the players we have I think this is a way to go Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,469 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 I'd end up committing before Christmas wae that team. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sausagetrunks 6,022 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Bates should not be in our team, he aint good enough. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack The Flipper 5,936 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 I'm honestly sick of people talking about formations Yeah, that's our problem, we just need to change formation and everything will be perfect. We could have had every player playing in a free role against progress and we still should have won. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alves70 393 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 To be honest I think it's time to get back to basics short term and go 4-4-2. A good solid CB pairing, two good CM's and two strikers forming a partnership. You get the spine of a team right and 90% of the work is done. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sausagetrunks 6,022 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Just now, Jack The Flipper said: I'm honestly sick of people talking about formations Yeah, that's our problem, we just need to change formation and everything will be perfect. We could have had every player playing in a free role against progress and we still should have won. see the two wingers when the got crosses in!? the pub team defence was there to eat them all up. get this one up front to fuck. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sausagetrunks 6,022 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 1 minute ago, Alves70 said: To be honest I think it's time to get back to basics short term and go 4-4-2. A good solid CB pairing, two good CM's and two strikers forming a partnership. You get the spine of a team right and 90% of the work is done. this all day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack The Flipper 5,936 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Just now, sausagetrunks said: see the two wingers when the got crosses in!? the pub team defence was there to eat them all up. get this one up front to fuck. "4-1-3-2 was only ever a rough notation. Stop the action at any moment and it could appear as a 3-2-3-1-1, or a 3-1-5-1, or a 5-1-2-2, but that doesn't mean it was wrong to describe the shape as 4-1-3-2: rather that was the best of the crude terms we commonly use to give a general indication of the shape. Offering the formation rarely gives anything like the full story of how a team plays." Formations are merely the starting point - that is it. You're all talking bollocks, stick to champ man. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
saltire266 502 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 7 minutes ago, bear86 said: Since 433 isn't working as we are getting overrun in midfield, but Pedro seems determined to have three up top, would a move to the fashionable 3-4-3 be a way to go? you have Alves in the centre of the three directing bates and Cardoso. Wallace and Tav, who are poor defenders have more freedom as wing backs. Two in the centre. And three up front more narrow to work off each other. possible starting 11 as things stand Wes cardoso alves bates Tav. Wallace Jack Pena Candeias Herrera Morelos with miller and rossiter coming on as subs. Obviously if we get Dorrans and walker they could replace a couple Grasping at straws after last nights disaster but if these are the players we have I think this is a way to go Tav and Wallace should also be hunted they are both garbage Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesRFC__ 172 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 A 3-4-3 relies to much on the wing-backs. Giving Tav and Wallace even MORE attacking freedom is a horrible thought. Not got a decent final ball in them. Our failings come mainly from the wingers. They're all fucking shite. Including the one's from last season. We're effectively 2 players down and rely far too much on going through the middle. It's easy to defend. And a midfield consisting of Jack, Rossiter and Kranjcar does not exude goals. It's honestly imperative to our season that Pena and Dorrans are going to provide goals and attacking runs for us if our wingers stay as they are. If they don't then it'll be a carbon copy of last year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sausagetrunks 6,022 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, Jack The Flipper said: "4-1-3-2 was only ever a rough notation. Stop the action at any moment and it could appear as a 3-2-3-1-1, or a 3-1-5-1, or a 5-1-2-2, but that doesn't mean it was wrong to describe the shape as 4-1-3-2: rather that was the best of the crude terms we commonly use to give a general indication of the shape. Offering the formation rarely gives anything like the full story of how a team plays." Formations are merely the starting point - that is it. You're all talking bollocks, stick to champ man. well the pub team dealt with our formation very easily over two games, the same style of football was played for 180 mins and the pub team pumped us due to our fucking shocking formation and tactics. thats a fact. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack The Flipper 5,936 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Just now, sausagetrunks said: well the pub team dealt with our formation very easily over two games, the same style of football was played for 180 mins and the pub team pumped us due to our fucking shocking formation and tactics. thats a fact. Nothing to do with player attitude, ability, mentality, unpredictability? Nothing to do with player actions within the formation, player interactions with each other? Needsa 4-4-2 4-4-2!!!! 4-4-2!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lloyd72 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 It really wouldn't surprise me to see him go 343, I think it was Rob who said in his last few games for Al Giraffe he used that formation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 73,890 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 If we are going to play 3-4-3 we need another centre half,2 wing-backs and a striker. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lloyd72 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, STEPPS BOY said: If we are going to play 3-4-3 we need another centre half,2 wing-backs and a striker. And a Manager who actually knows how to coach a team. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluenoseCanuck 64 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 4 hours ago, Alves70 said: To be honest I think it's time to get back to basics short term and go 4-4-2. A good solid CB pairing, two good CM's and two strikers forming a partnership. You get the spine of a team right and 90% of the work is done. I'd actually change this a little and go 4-1-3-2. We can have a holder but also two strikers as we know how well one striker has been for us. Although as said before, no formation matters when your lazy and have no desire to win! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMB 14,167 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 5 hours ago, sausagetrunks said: see the two wingers when the got crosses in!? the pub team defence was there to eat them all up. get this one up front to fuck. Two of our best chances came from crosses it in to the box. The cross from Wallace to Niko, and the cross from Tavernier to Windass, we hit the bar both times. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMB 14,167 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 5 hours ago, sausagetrunks said: well the pub team dealt with our formation very easily over two games, the same style of football was played for 180 mins and the pub team pumped us due to our fucking shocking formation and tactics. thats a fact. Our formation isn't "shocking". It's widely used in Europe and even Celtic use it here in Scotland with success. It's a good formation with proven success. We don't have the necessary players to make it work and that's an issue. Sticking Miller or Windass out wide left, for example, is shoehorning players in to positions they don't belong. We're also very direct now. We're firing the ball long an awful lot but isn't that what we wanted after Warburton's side passing? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterD 7,435 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 42 minutes ago, THE_MIGHTY_BEARS said: We're also very direct now. We're firing the ball long an awful lot but isn't that what we wanted after Warburton's side passing? No. I wanted the team to attack quickly, be direct with running and passing. Not long ball and shitey diagonal ball every 5 mins. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy Vandenbroucke 26,148 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCutch 4,340 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Take any formation you want, but if the players attitude is stinking then you are fucked from the off. Those players that took to the field in Luxembourg believed they only needed to show up and the tie was won. Evidenced by the fact that we hit the bar and actually made the sub fuckin goalie make a save in the last 10-15mins when we were desperate for a goal. The players attitude was totally horrendous, and that shit needs to be stamped out before we set foot on the pitch again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two Bears 2 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 8 hours ago, Alves70 said: To be honest I think it's time to get back to basics short term and go 4-4-2. A good solid CB pairing, two good CM's and two strikers forming a partnership. You get the spine of a team right and 90% of the work is done. Agree totally! Too much emphasis on playing this formation and that. Like Souness did, we got the spine sorted, everyone knew their roles in the team and we built from there. Alves will be key as you need to build from the back. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueshoff 11,799 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Doesn't matter what formation if you can't score a goal you won't win. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan1990 6 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 3 upfront only works with proper wingers and we've just sold our only one! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackrfc95 4,255 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Doesn't matter what formation we play, we're pish. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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