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in terms of gaining a sporting advantage through tax avoidance I can't understand how this is any different to EBT. 

 

Bit of tit for tat but perhaps people in glass houses? 

 

 

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14 minutes ago, BryceRFC1 said:

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in terms of gaining a sporting advantage through tax avoidance I can't understand how this is any different to EBT. 

 

Bit of tit for tat but perhaps people in glass houses? 

 

 

So celtic wouldn't have been able to sign these players, and coaches, without the, not so, ingenious tax avoidance scheme???

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7 minutes ago, Jack The Flipper said:

Isn't it a sporting advantage not being fined by the authorities for hiding pedos at Celtic?

I'd say yes, they should have been fined millions, and banned from Europe.

Unfair sporting advantage

Check Penn State Uni. Now that's a proper judgement against hiding/tolerating paedos.

And PSU didny even re-employ the character when they were discovered. 

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Just now, WATP-FOREVER said:

Check Penn State Uni. Now that's a propoer judgement against hiding paedos.

And PSU didny even reemploy the guy when they were discovered. 

Exactly, that's not mentioning land transactions between the council and Celtic.

Unfair sporting advantage

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21 minutes ago, BryceRFC1 said:

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in terms of gaining a sporting advantage through tax avoidance I can't understand how this is any different to EBT. 

 

Bit of tit for tat but perhaps people in glass houses? 

 

 

That's why Liewell didn't actually say the words "title stripping" , he wants to appease the fans but needs this to go away. This will hurt the tims big time because the amount of ex celt*c players who used this tax avoidance scheme either  proves the club were involved or is a amazing coincidence, and Liewell being a senior figure makes it toxic for Pacific shelf.

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What about the fact suttonco bankrupted himself - why did he go to celtic on the money he was on, and not to abroad and earn more money, thus avoiding bankruptcy?

What about the fact that dermot Desmond personally paid the wages for Roy Keane, Robbie Keane, and Craig Bellamy. Desmond himself has been in bother for tax avoidance. That means they had players paid for in part by subsequently disallowed tax avoidance. 

Sounds ridiculous, but it's the same argument. 

The tax avoidance scheme we used probably brought about a marginal "sporting advantage", in that the accumulated sum of money over the seasons might have got us one or two extra players.... Possibly, maybe not even that - certainly equal to the Keane, Bellamy signings above.  But absolutely nowhere near enough to get even the slightest bit bothered about. Certainly any talk of stripping titles is a joke. 

Fair do's if we'd been signing Zidane, Scholes, shearer etc through the EBT'S, and use of the EBT'S was the only way we could have afforded a team of the world's best. But the fact of the matter is that didn't happen. 

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As much as I'd love this to be our avenue at a comeback this has nothing to do with the tims, it has everything to do with former tim players and what they did with their wages but as a club it has fuck all to do with them so while its be nice to see te taxman chase up all those bastards the club as always won't be dragged into it.

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A simple argument that puts the titles being stripped nonsense to bed 

Do UEFA/FIFA go back and overturn results after a player fails a drugs test after the match? Which actually is gaining a sporting advantage by enhancing your performance? 

No they don't. 

Anyone with any sense knows you can't go back and overturn results because of tax evasion, Martin O'Neill and Neil Lennon were in tax avoidance schemes at the same time as we were using EBTs. They weren't using the same scheme as us but the end result was the same - money being owed to the tax man. 

They (our employees) signed a contract which included a salary and a benefit , they're not uncommon, only in this case the benefit has been found to be illegal, that doesn't make the whole contract void, that just takes away the benefit they were receiving, leaving them with a salary, and we all know Rangers used to pay ridiculous salaries to players even without EBTs.

So another simple argument in court would be "Are you saying these players wouldn't have had a lucrative enough offer on the table anyway without the EBT" Rangers are a massive football club, we were in the champions league every year, you play infront of 50,000 fans at a five star stadium every second week and get to participate in one of the world's most famous and fiercest derbies 3-4 times a season. 

Do you really think we HAD to offer an EBT to get these players to accept a role like that? Did we fuck, an EBT was simply just an added perk, it wasn't an incentive. It would never stand in court that an unsporting advantage was gained, we signed footballers who weren't using any performance enhancing drugs, they put everything into winning those trophies and it wasn't because all because of a tax blooper they done it. 

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If things really worked the way the taigs like to imagine it does then the team with the most money would win every game in every tournament

We beat them fair and square and they hate it and are pathetic enough to accept titles they lost because its the only way that they'll ever equal us

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1 minute ago, With Heart and Hand said:

If things really worked the way the taigs like to imagine it does then the team with the most money would win every game in every tournament

We beat them fair and square and they hate it and are pathetic enough to accept titles they lost because its the only way that they'll ever equal us

Exactly.

Is their current financial dominance fair? They are in a position at the moment where could buy and sell all opposition in the league. Where is the fairness in that? Sport has to be competitive. 

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11 minutes ago, NixonRFC said:

As much as I'd love this to be our avenue at a comeback this has nothing to do with the tims, it has everything to do with former tim players and what they did with their wages but as a club it has fuck all to do with them so while its be nice to see te taxman chase up all those bastards the club as always won't be dragged into it.

If you see the LONG list of players involved it's impossible not to note the link to celt*c fc. You never known somewhere down the line an ex tim may associate  the club with the scheme to save their skins as when it comes to bankruptcies sacrifices have to be made. I'm pretty sure the Gers players will use that card but we've been transparent from day one so no bother for us.

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Players earnings and taxes have fuck all to do with sporting advantage. If they were then every team we came up against that paid better through whatever means would have a sporting advantage. The obsessed should be charged (ha ha) with bringing the game into disrepute with their baseless unprovable accusations.

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3 hours ago, BryceRFC1 said:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.<No links to this website>/news/scottish-news/celtic-chief-peter-lawwell-among-9027258.amp

 

in terms of gaining a sporting advantage through tax avoidance I can't understand how this is any different to EBT. 

 

Bit of tit for tat but perhaps people in glass houses? 

 

 

But but but but Sevcoooooo

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2 hours ago, NixonRFC said:

As much as I'd love this to be our avenue at a comeback this has nothing to do with the tims, it has everything to do with former tim players and what they did with their wages but as a club it has fuck all to do with them so while its be nice to see te taxman chase up all those bastards the club as always won't be dragged into it.

Take your point but it does make the individuals involved in these schemes absolute hypocrites to have a go at us for the same.  Having seen some of the utterances of these individuals against us, I find it incredible that no media outlet has linked the two to highlight this hypocrisy.

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The questions I'd like our board to ask the paedos is " if sporting integrity is reliant on their employees paying their fair share of tax, what measures have they put in place to maintain it and are they 100% sure current employees are paying their full tax liability?"

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3 hours ago, NixonRFC said:

As much as I'd love this to be our avenue at a comeback this has nothing to do with the tims, it has everything to do with former tim players and what they did with their wages but as a club it has fuck all to do with them so while its be nice to see te taxman chase up all those bastards the club as always won't be dragged into it.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-companies-to-be-liable-for-employees-who-facilitate-tax-cheating

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3 hours ago, Gaz52 said:

A simple argument that puts the titles being stripped nonsense to bed 

Do UEFA/FIFA go back and overturn results after a player fails a drugs test after the match? Which actually is gaining a sporting advantage by enhancing your performance? 

No they don't. 

Anyone with any sense knows you can't go back and overturn results because of tax evasion, Martin O'Neill and Neil Lennon were in tax avoidance schemes at the same time as we were using EBTs. They weren't using the same scheme as us but the end result was the same - money being owed to the tax man. 

They (our employees) signed a contract which included a salary and a benefit , they're not uncommon, only in this case the benefit has been found to be illegal, that doesn't make the whole contract void, that just takes away the benefit they were receiving, leaving them with a salary, and we all know Rangers used to pay ridiculous salaries to players even without EBTs.

So another simple argument in court would be "Are you saying these players wouldn't have had a lucrative enough offer on the table anyway without the EBT" Rangers are a massive football club, we were in the champions league every year, you play infront of 50,000 fans at a five star stadium every second week and get to participate in one of the world's most famous and fiercest derbies 3-4 times a season. 

Do you really think we HAD to offer an EBT to get these players to accept a role like that? Did we fuck, an EBT was simply just an added perk, it wasn't an incentive. It would never stand in court that an unsporting advantage was gained, we signed footballers who weren't using any performance enhancing drugs, they put everything into winning those trophies and it wasn't because all because of a tax blooper they done it. 

Just a wee point of note here, it was not illegal.  It was an argument over whether tax was due, that's all.  It has now been decided tax is due.  What would be illegal would be a refusal to pay the tax.

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3 hours ago, NixonRFC said:

As much as I'd love this to be our avenue at a comeback this has nothing to do with the tims, it has everything to do with former tim players and what they did with their wages but as a club it has fuck all to do with them so while its be nice to see te taxman chase up all those bastards the club as always won't be dragged into it.

Get what you're saying here but what if the conversation had gone, say 'we can afford £30k per week, but we can introduce you to someone who can arrange some favourable tax treatment, so you'll get more in your hand'?

I'm sure those bastards will have been clever & tried to minimise/seal off all links to the guys who operated these schemes, but the numbers of players involved seem quite high for them all to have thought about it for themselves.

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5 hours ago, Gaz52 said:

A simple argument that puts the titles being stripped nonsense to bed 

Do UEFA/FIFA go back and overturn results after a player fails a drugs test after the match? Which actually is gaining a sporting advantage by enhancing your performance? 

No they don't. 

Anyone with any sense knows you can't go back and overturn results because of tax evasion, Martin O'Neill and Neil Lennon were in tax avoidance schemes at the same time as we were using EBTs. They weren't using the same scheme as us but the end result was the same - money being owed to the tax man. 

They (our employees) signed a contract which included a salary and a benefit , they're not uncommon, only in this case the benefit has been found to be illegal, that doesn't make the whole contract void, that just takes away the benefit they were receiving, leaving them with a salary, and we all know Rangers used to pay ridiculous salaries to players even without EBTs.

So another simple argument in court would be "Are you saying these players wouldn't have had a lucrative enough offer on the table anyway without the EBT" Rangers are a massive football club, we were in the champions league every year, you play infront of 50,000 fans at a five star stadium every second week and get to participate in one of the world's most famous and fiercest derbies 3-4 times a season. 

Do you really think we HAD to offer an EBT to get these players to accept a role like that? Did we fuck, an EBT was simply just an added perk, it wasn't an incentive. It would never stand in court that an unsporting advantage was gained, we signed footballers who weren't using any performance enhancing drugs, they put everything into winning those trophies and it wasn't because all because of a tax blooper they done it. 

But when cunts like SDM (under oath) and Big eck come out and say we couldnt afford the players otherwise it feeds the bheasts and rodent media.

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2 hours ago, dande101 said:

EBT or fake film companies.

Surely they all amount to the same thing?

High earners avoiding giving big money to the tax man.

A spades a spade.

A different product, but all part of the "tax planning" avoidance industry. I'm sure HMRC went after a few in the music industry fairly recently for using that product and got their money 

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