Ryan_1 1,121 Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 6 hours ago, the_r_sole said: A manager can only stabilise a club with a combination of time and money, a luxury a third manager in a year wouldn't have. And my question was a what if, it's possible that a manager coming in now would have a difficult start to the season, so just saying it wouldn't happen isn't really an answer. Did Walter Smith not stabilise the club in the time between Le Guen leaving and the end of that season? We secured 2nd place and even got a couple results against them. A foundation to build on for the next season. The players Walter had weren't his own, ok he brought in a couple smart signings like Weir and Ehiogu but the majority of his team was Le Guens. A good manager at least shows signs, gets a reaction, sorts the immediate problems. Caixinha has done nothing baring a fluke result against Aberdeen. Why should we continue? What if McInnes did actually have a couple bad results? Then same rule applies, why continue? However, there's a massive difference between having a couple bad results, sometimes that can happen in football, however Caixinha has been in charge for more than one embarrassing results and since he's been here I've yet to see one idea, one gameplan or one substitute he's made that effected the game. In my opinion he is the smart decision but that doesn't make me right, that's why the board/DOF are tasked with these duties. Chopping and changing managers is a modern way of thinking, it's not uncommon. It's up to the people making the decisions to get that right. If they continue to get that wrong then they should be looking at themselves. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RFC16 226 Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Really do think hes a defeat at first game ibrox then the pressure will be overwhelming and his position unatenable Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OneDavidCooper 2,472 Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 He will last no longer than the Hibs home game. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMcb 615 Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 As long as he accepts full responsibility Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the_r_sole 366 Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 22 minutes ago, Ryan_1 said: Did Walter Smith not stabilise the club in the time between Le Guen leaving and the end of that season? We secured 2nd place and even got a couple results against them. A foundation to build on for the next season. The players Walter had weren't his own, ok he brought in a couple smart signings like Weir and Ehiogu but the majority of his team was Le Guens. A good manager at least shows signs, gets a reaction, sorts the immediate problems. Caixinha has done nothing baring a fluke result against Aberdeen. Why should we continue? What if McInnes did actually have a couple bad results? Then same rule applies, why continue? However, there's a massive difference between having a couple bad results, sometimes that can happen in football, however Caixinha has been in charge for more than one embarrassing results and since he's been here I've yet to see one idea, one gameplan or one substitute he's made that effected the game. In my opinion he is the smart decision but that doesn't make me right, that's why the board/DOF are tasked with these duties. Chopping and changing managers is a modern way of thinking, it's not uncommon. It's up to the people making the decisions to get that right. If they continue to get that wrong then they should be looking at themselves. Completely different when there's some good quality in the playing squad you take over! Compare the players Smith inherited with what we have now, the squad needed overhauled when Pedro took over. Any manager inheriting the squad Pedro did would not have been able to stabilise the club without significant investment in the playing squad, this was recognised universally. I'll say it again, no decent manager would want to take over at a club who sack a manager in the middle of his first transfer window with a turnaround of 16 players and a newly appointed director of football - would show the club to be a basket case.(who have spent all their money) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SeparateEntityMyArse 45,731 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Rangers 1st Half:- Aidan McAdams; Jordan Houston, Aidan Wilson, Lewis Mayo, Myles Beerman; Jamie Barjonas, Harry Forrester; Trialist No.10; Michal O’Halloran (Andy Dallas 19 mins); Zak Rudden, Matthew Shiels. Rangers 2nd Half:- Kieran Wright; Michael Hewitt, Danny Finlayson, Jason Krones, Trialist No.16; Grant Nelson; Mati Zata, Izzak Ahmed; Andy Dallas (Matthew Shiels 62 mins), Trialist No.10 (Zak Rudden 62 mins), Scott Gray. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elfideldo 3,110 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Tynecastle had a very comfortable 3-1 win over East Stirling tonight. Looks like they have made a significant improvment from last season. A Rangers team should still be beating them though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BigDak 550 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Elfideldo said: Tynecastle had a very comfortable 3-1 win over East Stirling tonight. Looks like they have made a significant improvment from last season. A Rangers team should still be beating them though. FFS! How many times does it need to be repeated that this wasn't "a Rangers team". It was fucking boys supplemented by Forrester and O'Halloran. Honestly, I give up with this place. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gsa 3,905 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, BigDak said: FFS! How many times does it need to be repeated that this wasn't "a Rangers team". It was fucking boys supplemented by Forrester and O'Halloran. Honestly, I give up with this place. It's clearly still a "rangers team". Four of the starters have started for rangers in a league match. The rest are players who are all signed on full time professional contracts with the club. You're trying to make out it was a team of 14 year old ball boys. It wasn't. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BigDak 550 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 26 minutes ago, gsa said: It's clearly still a "rangers team". Four of the starters have started for rangers in a league match. The rest are players who are all signed on full time professional contracts with the club. You're trying to make out it was a team of 14 year old ball boys. It wasn't. You're apparently trying to make out that even if it was a team of 14 year olds and four of them had miraculously started a game for the first team it'd still be a Rangers team. Two of those four starters wouldn't have been near the first team if it hadn't been for injuries and Forester and O'Halloran are surplus to requirements and have allegedly shown a lack of work ethic before. For the record, I'd have liked to have seen the supposed future stars beat a Junior team. But I'm not really overly fussed about a pre-season friendly involving our U-20s. However, for whatever ludicrous reason, "fans" like you seem to be using this as ammo against the first team. It really is incredible. I read one halfwit's post earlier claiming that 6 of our new players were playing in that game! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ForeverAndEver 46,636 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 45 minutes ago, BigDak said: FFS! How many times does it need to be repeated that this wasn't "a Rangers team". It was fucking boys supplemented by Forrester and O'Halloran. Honestly, I give up with this place. You seem angry. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BigDak 550 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 7 hours ago, ForeverAndEver said: You seem angry. More annoyed than angry. In general people pay little to no attention to the Under 20's and put very little faith in friendly results. Therefore why are Rangers fans using the Under 20's, sorry, the Under 20's supplemented by those titans of the game Michael O'Halloran and Harry Forester (who hardly have 10 starts between them), getting beaten in a friendly as some reflection on the First Team? It's the kind of thing a bheast would come away with. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OneDavidCooper 2,472 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 43 minutes ago, BigDak said: More annoyed than angry. In general people pay little to no attention to the Under 20's and put very little faith in friendly results. Therefore why are Rangers fans using the Under 20's, sorry, the Under 20's supplemented by those titans of the game Michael O'Halloran and Harry Forester (who hardly have 10 starts between them), getting beaten in a friendly as some reflection on the First Team? It's the kind of thing a bheast would come away with. IT WAS A RANGERS TEAM AND THE RESULT WAS A REFLECTION OF WHAT IS HAPPENING AND WAS FUCKING UNACCEPTABLE. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Smile 23,662 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 9 hours ago, BigDak said: FFS! How many times does it need to be repeated that this wasn't "a Rangers team". It was fucking boys supplemented by Forrester and O'Halloran. Honestly, I give up with this place. The poster goes to all the Youth games i think he will have an idea of what to expect from Rangers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
50ShadesofBlue 667 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 It's pre-season and we fielded mostly youths who didn't start back training until late June. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BigDak 550 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 6 hours ago, OneDavidCooper said: IT WAS A RANGERS TEAM AND THE RESULT WAS A REFLECTION OF WHAT IS HAPPENING AND WAS FUCKING UNACCEPTABLE. Please explain how it is a reflection on what's happening? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
delparlane 2,543 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 On 7/8/2017 at 0:36 PM, Lloyd72 said: Our players didn't even score, our goal came from an OG What a surprise. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
big blue Fin 3,724 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 It's gonna be another long hard fight this season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Johnny Dangerously 7,077 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 1 hour ago, big blue Fin said: It's gonna be another long hard fight this season. Struggle methinks ☹️ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
.Williamson. 50,129 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Pedro is the man that makes dreams come true. Aberdeens 25 years without a win at Ibrox was ended, the taigs pumped us 5-1 at home and we have been thrown out of Europe at the first hurdle by part timers. Brilliant. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Heshootshescores 1,509 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 FFS even in the insane, surreal world of online football forums this thread is an absolute fucking stoater... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jackrfc95 4,254 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 2 years ago today our 20s beat Tynecastle 6-0. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wearethepeople1 3,897 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, jackrfc95 said: 2 years ago today our 20s beat Tynecastle 6-0. It's a fucking shocker of a result no matter how many people try to make excuses. All to common place with this guy Pedro. He will 100% be gone by Christmas. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thetruthisootthere 149 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 On 12/07/2017 at 8:15 AM, BigDak said: More annoyed than angry. In general people pay little to no attention to the Under 20's and put very little faith in friendly results. Therefore why are Rangers fans using the Under 20's, sorry, the Under 20's supplemented by those titans of the game Michael O'Halloran and Harry Forester (who hardly have 10 starts between them), getting beaten in a friendly as some reflection on the First Team? It's the kind of thing a bheast would come away with. Think you answered your own question in your last line. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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