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2 hours ago, Ger_onimo said:

What is it with people ignoring the fact that he took over last season? We got fucked 5-1 by them at Ibrox, in case you've forgotten. He's overseen 2 of the worst results in our history and shown nothing, absolutely nothing to suggest things will improve.

We were outclassed in 5/6 oldfirm games. It's bad to lose the record vs the sheep but we never exactly destroyed them back in December at ibrox did we?  We were justifiably in 3rd place.  I can have no complaints about them thrashing us, as a player if you can't get up for an oldfirm game then you may aswell chuck it. 

I wonder how many old firms have been won through tactics?  I bet a minority of them have.  Better players will always come through and we had the 3rd best players last year.

its no coincidence eck only chatted to the board once then distanced himself from the job- Pedro is about the best this board will attract and we just have to hope it comes good. Cos there's no chance of deboer or other household names joining us

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1 minute ago, Rangers_no1 said:

See this 'we lost to Kaunas or Zizkov' or 'Scottish clubs bar the scum flop in Europe' party lines that are being thrown about are some of the worst attempts to deflect away from the worst result in our history.

Mental eh :lol:

McLeish had just won the double with a squad that were performing hopelessly before he took over and Walter had just led us to a European final. Obviously those results were ridiculous but those guys had enough credit they could afford them. Under Pedro it looks like those results will be the norm. 

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2 minutes ago, Rangers_no1 said:

See this 'we lost to Kaunas or Zizkov' or 'Scottish clubs bar the scum flop in Europe' party lines that are being thrown about are some of the worst attempts to deflect away from the worst result in our history.

Let's see... losing to zizkov with deboer,amo,klos,arteta,ferguson and numan etc or losing to progres with players I've never heard of added to shite like waghorn and Wallace etc.  I know which was the worst result of the 2

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Just now, loyalfollower said:

Let's see... losing to zizkov with deboer,amo,klos,arteta,ferguson and numan etc or losing to progres with players I've never heard of added to shite like waghorn and Wallace etc.  I know which was the worst result of the 2

Yeah... Progres hands down the worst result in our history. 

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1 hour ago, markem said:

Pedro may or may not be a dud, I honestly am not sure, the Progres result severely weakens the case for any defence. 

The only thing I would say, is that the damage Warburton did runs beyond the day he left the club. We continue to have players in our squad who aren't good enough and will know they aren't wanted - that has to be difficult to work with and create the culture and focus you want. Equally Warburton did establish a mindset of stats and performance over results, in fairness Pedro is out of time using that as any excuse but he inherited it and it wouldn't have changed over night (thinking about results late last year) in particular when working with players simply not good enough (shite is more accurate)  

It is my opinion that Pedro needs more time however I am mindful I thought similar about MW when others were way ahead of me on seeing him for what he was. 

It's a big concern we are two weeks away from kick off and do not appear ready, anything less than 9 from 9 in 1st 3 games he is under huge pressure. Equally we are a fickle bunch, he is a few good results away from opinion changing entirely. 

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2 hours ago, Turnberry18 said:

What did you expect of Warburton with the budget he got? Those "losers" you refer to were low budget buys, or perhaps you may have forgotten about that.

With his budget he should have been comfortably second in the league. There's absolutely no doubt that Pedro has been backed to much greater extent than Warburton ever was but it doesn't change the fact he's a loser. He made defeats and draws become acceptable. I sat in a Q&A at Ibrox with him where he tried to justify the various defeats we suffered under him (Hibs, Aberdeen & celtic) and tried to make them seem unacceptable.

FWIW I've said for a while now Pedro wont be here by the time celtic come to Ibrox at the end of September. Our problems go much deeper than just the manager.

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18 minutes ago, Rangers_no1 said:

See this 'we lost to Kaunas or Zizkov' or 'Scottish clubs bar the scum flop in Europe' party lines that are being thrown about are some of the worst attempts to deflect away from the worst result in our history.

We also won the treble after Zizkov and the double after Kaunas.

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15 minutes ago, loyalfollower said:

We were outclassed in 5/6 oldfirm games. It's bad to lose the record vs the sheep but we never exactly destroyed them back in December at ibrox did we?

Fucking clown. It doesn't matter if we "destroyed" them or if we win with an OG in the 95th minute. The point is he fucked a 25 year record.

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6 minutes ago, eskbankloyal said:

With his budget he should have been comfortably second in the league. There's absolutely no doubt that Pedro has been backed to much greater extent than Warburton ever was but it doesn't change the fact he's a loser. He made defeats and draws become acceptable. I sat in a Q&A at Ibrox with him where he tried to justify the various defeats we suffered under him (Hibs, Aberdeen & celtic) and tried to make them seem unacceptable.

FWIW I've said for a while now Pedro wont be here by the time celtic come to Ibrox at the end of September. Our problems go much deeper than just the manager.

I agree with your last point, but I also think we cannot gauge Warburton properly with the budget he was on; he may have still failed, but I don't buy the notion that every player he signed, or even half of those he signed, he would have signed regardless of budget- we'll see how he does at Forest, and if he fails there, ie they don't make significant progress then I'll agree he doesn't have it; in all fairness your very last point kind of verifies that. It's a fair point you make though, overall, but I would think it would be better to move the manager on now, rather than wait. I hope the manager does it here, but I don't think he will, and not once has he convinced me that he can.

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I've never know a Rangers manager to actually be under pressure to win pre season friendlies and this is where we are at present. In saying that ive never know a pre season to be such an utter shambles with all this behind closed doors pish twice against opponents we will meet at least a further 4 times. 

So far in Pedro's reign the fans confidence took a battering with those two OF games,  wounds we thought were closing were slashed wide open a couple of months later and are continuing to bleed at present. This is the main problem PC has just now.

The first 2 league games will  carry a massive  amount of pressure, failure to win either will bring meltdown.

Many fans doubted Warbuton for a while before the penny dropped however  too quickly too many fans have lost confidence in PC.

Personally my anger is targeted at this Stewart Robertson character and dont think he is fit to judge who should be a Rangers manager.

 

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21 minutes ago, loyalfollower said:

We were outclassed in 5/6 oldfirm games. It's bad to lose the record vs the sheep but we never exactly destroyed them back in December at ibrox did we?  We were justifiably in 3rd place.  I can have no complaints about them thrashing us, as a player if you can't get up for an oldfirm game then you may aswell chuck it. 

I wonder how many old firms have been won through tactics?  I bet a minority of them have.  Better players will always come through and we had the 3rd best players last year.

its no coincidence eck only chatted to the board once then distanced himself from the job- Pedro is about the best this board will attract and we just have to hope it comes good. Cos there's no chance of deboer or other household names joining us

So the team were equally shit after he took over as we were before? Fantastic. And even that ignores the fact that a rookie youth coach actually improved that group of players before Pedro set them right back again.

The bit in bold is just fanciful, unquantifiable nonsense.

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Pedro claims to understand that this club is all about winning but people on here are saying to dismiss the 1-5, as he was experimenting to see what the players could do. So which is it?

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Those two results against Kaunus and Zizkov we were below par, the worrying thing about the European tie this season was that it didn't look as if we could play much better; that worried me more than anything, how below par where we actually? It was the same yesterday, we really didn't bother the opposition, and none of the players looked capable of being much better than theirs. Either the players are not good enough, or the manager is not getting the best out of them; if it is the latter, it will only be a matter of time before he goes. I like Caixinha in terms of how he comes across, he is a likeable person, but does he have it to be manager of a club like Rangers? His record, sadly, suggests not.

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The Progress result was without doubt the worst European result in our history. We lost in the first qualifying round of a second rate tournament to the 4th best part time team in Luxembourg. 

That said, we all know he dramatically needed to rebuild the squad after last year - and at that point we didn't have Alves, Dorrans, Pena or Herrera as available starters for either leg, effectively the entire spine of our team. 

I'm hoping he turns things around with 'his' players, but that's all it is - hope, rather than confidence or expectation.

Normally, I'd say who cares about preseason (and I did at the start), but a very worrying pattern is emerging. We just can't seem to score goals anymore.

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I'll never read anything in to friendly results though, I don't understand people who get all stressed out over a friendly

But the Progres result and numerous performances last season have shown he's tactically clueless

The board can't go back now, they've too the gamble on him and backed him heavily

This is probably the most dread I've ever felt before the start of a new season. We'll be fighting for third place with Hibs at this rate 

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Just now, Gaz52 said:

I don't think the guy has a clue to be honest, we don't have any sort of game plan under him, it's like watching a McCoist side

The only thing that looked positive to me was that we appeared very difficult to break down; I know we eventually lost the game, but the changes being made possibly contributed to that. That said we showed very little going forward, and the midfield composition looked compressed which seemed to affect our ability to create. Being a friendly, it was almost set up to prevent a defeat, which may suggest the manager even feels the pressure, even though it was a pre-season friendly. That would be a concern.

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He sets up to defend deep against teams that will set up deep against us, it's not a Rangers style of play, it might have worked in Mexico where his side weren't as big or as feared as Rangers on the pitch, but we need to be out taking games by the scruff of the neck, dictating the play, not letting the St Johnstone's of the world play their game and we sit deep hoping for the odd counter attack 

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I always judge on friendlies and want us to win them - I can't understand any Rangers fan that doesn't care about winning games. 

Its a pride thing. From under 20's to the Tennants sixes they're all representing the club name. It's vital we get associated with winning again. 

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10 minutes ago, Gaz52 said:

I'll never read anything in to friendly results though, I don't understand people who get all stressed out over a friendly

But the Progres result and numerous performances last season have shown he's tactically clueless

The board can't go back now, they've too the gamble on him and backed him heavily

This is probably the most dread I've ever felt before the start of a new season. We'll be fighting for third place with Hibs at this rate 

I don't normally either, and in most situations I'd laugh at folk getting upset by them - however, rather than the individual result that concerns me, it's the pattern. 

We lost a load of records last year, were humiliated in Europe in this one, and nothing about any of our football in preparation for this season has been any different. 

We don't create enough chances or score enough goals, and although we seem more solid at the back we still give away chance after chance. 

There's no improvement or clear strategy / shape /  philosophy at all since he took over, which is very worrying. We MUST close the gap this year, or nine in a row is a formality. 

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