TheLawMan 6,240 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Much worse. An absolute disaster ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDFM 3,809 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 10 minutes ago, Aubie92 said: Did Advocaat's team bottle it when they built up a sizeable points lead over a poor Celtic team, or again when that same Celtic team were in poor form and gave them a chance to catch up? McInnes isn't good enough for Rangers. If finishing 15 points or so behind a poor Celtic team and a few points ahead of a piss poor Rangers team the following season makes him a candidate for the Rangers job, we'd have been as well sticking with Warburton. He had as much of a chance as McInnes ever does of winning the league - none. Passing on McInnes was the right decision. That doesn't mean appointing Pedro was the right one; if we were willing to open up our purse strings then we should have appointed someone else like (Pearson, De Boer, Allardyce, Mancini, Ranieri or anyone with top class experience). What Forever&Ever said. BTW McInnes wouldn't be my first choice either, but in the lands of the realistic he's near enough the best we can get. EDIT - Also Pearson & Allardyce are awful shouts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneDavidCooper 2,505 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, Dazzler said: You been lying out in the sun? Warburton was mince, certainly not far superior. My opinion, which is all I was asked for. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermopylae 15,286 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 I'm keeping my opinions to myself on this one and hopefully it stays that way Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubie92 1,074 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 6 minutes ago, ForeverAndEver said: Could be worse a suppose, could be the worst home derby result ever. Did Advocaat have a worse team, and a lot less money. McInnes, has taken then from 8th to 2nd. Took them from that 8th to 3rd and cup winners in a season. The team he took over were underperforming to be in 8th place, and his 2nd place finish isn't impressive. Aberdeen bottled the league that year, and that came from the top down. If they'd won even one of the cups last year then I could understand some folk wanting him in, but they didn't - and they did fuck all in the second half of the Scottish Cup Final. If he hadn't played for us no cunt would want him appointed, and if we do appoint him most of those folk will be moaning within a year that he was never good enough and shouldn't have been appointed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hilts 12,819 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, RDFM said: My point is that the more money at your disposal the higher the chance or signing a player that best fits what you want to play and that due to the small budget at Aberdeen McInnes has to buy players that in an ideal world he wouldn't want. However, in spite of that he still manages to get the goods from them. That is the sign of a good coach and it suggests he could do more with more resources. He hasn't done fuck all with Aberdeen either, he's made them the second best side in Scotland and taken them to more cup finals than would've been expected for a club of their size. Even just this season he took them to two finals and if it wasnt for a literally domestically unstoppable Celtic side he could've very well won something. The 2nd best team in Scotland means next to nothing. The league is terrible. They were the better team out of us and them last season, I'll happily admit that. But finishing 2nd in the SPFL means relatively fuck all. Yes they reached 2 cup finals last season, but it can't be denied that they had favourable draws in both cups. I won't bother looking up the earlier rounds, but I do remember then facing Morton and Hibs in the retrospective semi finals. As I said, before taking part in his first game, Pedro had probably the more impressive CV. There's is very little credible evidence to suggest McInness would take us to the level we need and want to be at. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 2,428 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, OneDavidCooper said: My opinion, which is all I was asked for. Ach come on argue ffs, I'm bored. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneDavidCooper 2,505 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Just now, Dazzler said: Ach come on argue ffs, I'm bored. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number5 2,109 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 1 minute ago, Aubie92 said: There's no such thing. Playing entertaining football means nothing at Rangers if you're not winning, but Warburton himself abandoned his supposed philosophy of playing attractive football with a young team. He saddled us with players that weren't good enough and didn't fit his own system. Wrong choice of words regarding playing the right way. He had a brand and philosophy that I agreed with and it looked like the way we were heading with the youths etc. Not saying it totally worked but didnt imagine a wholesale turnaround from the bottom up was going to work within 2 years. You invest time etc into that then give up because a dud like MW failed due to his inept skillset as a manager? Then hire Pedro....... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
teneriferanger 26 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 He is an imposter and this will end badly! I so hope I'm wrong but I won't hold my breath Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swagger 7,890 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 I think they are actually the same person cause it looks like fuck all has changed on the pitch Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeIsBlue 66,604 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Who voted yes? Quote me with your reasons,go for it. He's had had an absolute nightmare start to this season but I'd love to hear the reasons why he's worse than that baldy tadger. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DennyBlueNose 652 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 1 hour ago, MrMckee said: Main difference is the money allocated to each manager.. if warburton was allowed to spend the same what would he have come up with? Don't underestimate the amount he wasted on wages, don't think Barton, Nike & Senderos came cheap. A good few mil wasted there easy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubie92 1,074 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Just now, Number5 said: Wrong choice of words regarding playing the right way. He had a brand and philosophy that I agreed with and it looked like the way we were heading with the youths etc. Not saying it totally worked but didnt imagine a wholesale turnaround from the bottom up was going to work within 2 years. You invest time etc into that then give up because a dud like MW failed due to his inept skillset as a manager? Then hire Pedro....... Buy Warburton abandoned that philosophy last summer, which was part of his downfall. If we'd had a young team that were playing attractive football and progressing, he'd have lasted. But he brought in guys like O'Halloran and Garner that didn't fit his style, guys like Senderos and Barton whom he didn't want, and guys that were unproven beyond League Two/League One level down south. Pedro didn't tear up Warburton's playbook, as Warburton had already done so. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDFM 3,809 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Just now, Captain Hilts said: The 2nd best team in Scotland means next to nothing. The league is terrible. They were the better team out of us and them last season, I'll happily admit that. But finishing 2nd in the SPFL means relatively fuck all. Yes they reached 2 cup finals last season, but it can't be denied that they had favourable draws in both cups. I won't bother looking up the earlier rounds, but I do remember then facing Morton and Hibs in the retrospective semi finals. As I said, before taking part in his first game, Pedro had probably the more impressive CV. There's is very little credible evidence to suggest McInness would take us to the level we need and want to be at. It means fuckall for us, but it's a monumental achievement for the likes of Aberdeen as its their ceiling. If he can use limited resources to take Aberdeen to their ceiling a see no reason why he couldn't take us to ours. Last season's Hibs would've finished 3rd, but that's irrelevant. IMO you can't use the draws he gets against him as its a luck of the draw thing but even then they did face a few tough sides ala St Johnstone and County away. Pedro definitely had a better CV than him, but he's absolutely shat the bed in Scotland whereas McInnes has thrived. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reallyruff 622 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Warburton had a better start albeit in a lesser league. Arguably both inherited poor squads but MW seems to have turned his round better. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDFM 3,809 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, BridgeIsBlue said: Who voted yes? Quote me with your reasons,go for it. He's had had an absolute nightmare start to this season but I'd love to hear the reasons why he's worse than that baldy tadger. Think they're both as bad as eachother Pedro has - Celtic @ Ibrox Aberdeen @ Ibrox Progres Warburton has - Hibs @ Hampden All the Celtic games Hearts Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueThunder 8,452 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Ah, yet another stealth McInnes thread. Can we sack Pedro tonight so we can get McInnes in tomorrow (then be shouting for him to be out by Christmas)? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number5 2,109 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 1 minute ago, OhW said: If we're 10 points behind at Xmas then Pedro is a much better manager than i thought. 10pts behind hivs I mean Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hilts 12,819 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, RDFM said: It means fuckall for us, but it's a monumental achievement for the likes of Aberdeen as its their ceiling. If he can use limited resources to take Aberdeen to their ceiling a see no reason why he couldn't take us to ours. Last season's Hibs would've finished 3rd, but that's irrelevant. IMO you can't use the draws he gets against him as its a luck of the draw thing but even then they did face a few tough sides ala St Johnstone and County away. Pedro definitely had a better CV than him, but he's absolutely shat the bed in Scotland whereas McInnes has thrived. Looking at the league outside us, the tarriers and Aberdeen, I'd expect them to finish above the other 9 teams comparing the size of their support and budget. It's not really much of an achievement for me, but that's just my opinion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helicopter Sundae 5,967 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 I love these positive threads. It's what I get up in the morning for. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeIsBlue 66,604 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Just now, RDFM said: Think they're both as bad as eachother Pedro has - Celtic @ Ibrox Aberdeen @ Ibrox Progres Warburton has - Hibs @ Hampden All the Celtic games Hearts 1st two games were Warburton's teams and the Euro game was his own doing admittedly. Right time to judge him will be the end of this season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterD 7,435 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 As bad as each other. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDFM 3,809 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Just now, BridgeIsBlue said: 1st two games were Warburton's teams and the Euro game was his own doing admittedly. Right time to judge him will be the end of this season. He won't and shouldn't get that long. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the drummer 414 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 will be sacked after the first old firm game Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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