Leeds_Bear 8,103 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Smell the hotdog said: Was thinking about back 3 this morning on way to work. How do you fit Tav & Candieas in tho? Alnwick/Fod Tav McCrorie Alves Cardoso Candieas Jack Dorrans Pena Morelos Miller Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Smith 55 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Really rate the laddie,he's the real deal. Ive followed him and his brothers progress for some time, I ave an nephew who has played both with and against them.Both brothers with have a big future in the game. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,622 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Tierney forced an established full back in izaguirre out of that team. Neither he nor the bheasts have looked back. If a player deserves and gets a chance and takes it then he should keep it. I feel as a club we default to reputation or experience. I'm not saying he now deserves to be a first team starter, but if in weeks and months ahead others form is poor and he steps in and plays like that then why should he not retain a jersey. Even over alves if needs be. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cushynumber 25,178 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 2 hours ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said: Tierney forced an established full back in izaguirre out of that team. Neither he nor the bheasts have looked back. If a player deserves and gets a chance and takes it then he should keep it. I feel as a club we default to reputation or experience. I'm not saying he now deserves to be a first team starter, but if in weeks and months ahead others form is poor and he steps in and plays like that then why should he not retain a jersey. Even over alves if needs be. 5 I agree. However i don't see him forcing out an established Portugues international at this point, barring injury to Alves. It may well be if we are winning games comfortably he introduces him much more. What kind of annoys me with managers though is that after they throw in a young kid, there is a lot of hyperbole about how good they are - but in this lads case he was only used because of injury to someone else. If he is going to be the best we have seen in a long time, why is he only used in an emergency? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,622 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 1 minute ago, cushynumber said: I agree. However i don't see him forcing out an established Portugues international at this point, barring injury to Alves. It may well be if we are winning games comfortably he introduces him much more. What kind of annoys me with managers though is that after they throw in a young kid, there is a lot of hyperbole about how good they are - but in this lads case he was only used because of injury to someone else. If he is going to be the best we have seen in a long time, why is he only used in an emergency? I do agree. But we do tend to see players come in, do well or really well, then fade out the picture. A few get a run of games like Bates (Why I don't know) or Barjonas, but others like A Wilson just disappear altogether. I'd just like to see players who play, do the job asked of them well, show form, get the opportunity that that performance should afford them. We go the opposite way and I wonder if it gives more false hope than motivation. Pathway to the first team blah blah blah. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven33jackie 1,917 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 No pressure then, already earmarked him to be one of the best centre half's in Scottish history...the just ease yourself into the team and play the simple ball mentality doesn't exist with Pedro. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenoz 30,688 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 9 hours ago, A.T.G said: Reminds me of a more mobile Paolo Maldini calm down. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy1984 6,314 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 6 minutes ago, bluenoz said: calm down. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlippinEck 3,702 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 I wouldn't want to split Tav and Candeais up for the sake of playing Candeais on his weaker side. They seem to have a great understanding together Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 5 hours ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said: I do agree. But we do tend to see players come in, do well or really well, then fade out the picture. A few get a run of games like Bates (Why I don't know) or Barjonas, but others like A Wilson just disappear altogether. I'd just like to see players who play, do the job asked of them well, show form, get the opportunity that that performance should afford them. We go the opposite way and I wonder if it gives more false hope than motivation. Pathway to the first team blah blah blah. Bates got a run because of injury and McCrorie being out on loan at the time. Wilson and Barjonas are back with the U20s just now playing in the Academy Games project to aid their development instead of sitting on the bench most weeks (or dropping better players to put them in the team) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,622 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 10 minutes ago, The Dude said: Bates got a run because of injury and McCrorie being out on loan at the time. Wilson and Barjonas are back with the U20s just now playing in the Academy Games project to aid their development instead of sitting on the bench most weeks (or dropping better players to put them in the team) Yeah get that. But I'm not convinced any of our recent managers would keep them in the first team longer than necessary ie if an experienced player returned from injury. Let's say Alves is out for several weeks and mccrorie covers well. I'm doubtful he would retain the jersey over alves on his return from injury which I think would be the wrong decision. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcbear 10,913 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 5 hours ago, cushynumber said: I agree. However i don't see him forcing out an established Portugues international at this point, barring injury to Alves. It may well be if we are winning games comfortably he introduces him much more. What kind of annoys me with managers though is that after they throw in a young kid, there is a lot of hyperbole about how good they are - but in this lads case he was only used because of injury to someone else. If he is going to be the best we have seen in a long time, why is he only used in an emergency? Marcus Rashford got in the ManUtd team in similar circumstances. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said: Yeah get that. But I'm not convinced any of our recent managers would keep them in the first team longer than necessary ie if an experienced player returned from injury. Let's say Alves is out for several weeks and mccrorie covers well. I'm doubtful he would retain the jersey over alves on his return from injury which I think would be the wrong decision. Unless he's a better player than the more experienced option then I can see why they'd do that. No point bringing players in to bench them for kids who aren't a good yet. That's why we loan them out etc. I get your point though and think over the last god knows how long we've neglected our youth dept Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essandoh 21,193 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 24 minutes ago, FlippinEck said: I wouldn't want to split Tav and Candeais up for the sake of playing Candeais on his weaker side. They seem to have a great understanding together It would be lunacy to split those two up in the first OF of the season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,622 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 6 minutes ago, The Dude said: Unless he's a better player than the more experienced option then I can see why they'd do that. No point bringing players in to bench them for kids who aren't a good yet. That's why we loan them out etc. I get your point though and think over the last god knows how long we've neglected our youth dept I'm more a believer in holding onto a jersey if doing well. For instance, Alves has all the experience in the world but if Mccrorie got a run of games and performed well then to me he deserves to stay and learn more in the role than make way for the returning player. He'll learn more, develop better, and get used to the pressure of performing or lose his place he's fought hard for. And alves would need to get performing in training to show he's the man and deserves a jersey. Until performances warrant a change to the next more deserving player ie alves again. Win win. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 14 minutes ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said: I'm more a believer in holding onto a jersey if doing well. For instance, Alves has all the experience in the world but if Mccrorie got a run of games and performed well then to me he deserves to stay and learn more in the role than make way for the returning player. He'll learn more, develop better, and get used to the pressure of performing or lose his place he's fought hard for. And alves would need to get performing in training to show he's the man and deserves a jersey. Until performances warrant a change to the next more deserving player ie alves again. Win win. Depends on why the player dropped out to start really. If he goes out because of injury you run the risk of unhappy senior players because they've been bombed out for getting hurt. If the young player was deserving, in theory, he'd be in the team already and not simply because someone else got injured. It's a really difficult one tbh. There's normally a reason why a senior player is signed over promoting a youngster, particularly someone like Alves who brings all sorts of experience to the side. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,241 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 If the player is good enough he's old enough, if a player comes in and plays well the established player should spend some time on the bench when fit, if both can't be accommodated in the team. Fuck them if they're not happy. Every player has a part to play. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,622 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 25 minutes ago, The Dude said: Depends on why the player dropped out to start really. If he goes out because of injury you run the risk of unhappy senior players because they've been bombed out for getting hurt. If the young player was deserving, in theory, he'd be in the team already and not simply because someone else got injured. It's a really difficult one tbh. There's normally a reason why a senior player is signed over promoting a youngster, particularly someone like Alves who brings all sorts of experience to the side. But you don't know how good the younger player could be unless you give that opportunity he's never had before. Again unfortunately like the bheast full back scenario. Football is about opportunities. If you drop out due to injuries and your replacement does well then surely it's tough titty for the player returning. All hypothetical ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 64,470 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 1 hour ago, steven33jackie said: No pressure then, already earmarked him to be one of the best centre half's in Scottish history...the just ease yourself into the team and play the simple ball mentality doesn't exist with Pedro. eh Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.A.I 36,183 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Gustav said: eh That's along the lines of what Pedro said about him. He really is an idiot sometimes, Pedro. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcbear 10,913 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 He looked steady and unfazed, good debut. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasgow argyle 1,093 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 12 hours ago, A.T.G said: Reminds me of a more mobile Paolo Maldini He did look very solid and composed. Early days and without getting carried away. The lad reminds me a certain former c.b & captain Richard Gough. If he ends up half as good as him we will have player. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofbear 398 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 4 hours ago, steven33jackie said: No pressure then, already earmarked him to be one of the best centre half's in Scottish history...the just ease yourself into the team and play the simple ball mentality doesn't exist with Pedro. The fuck he said that. He said that McCrorie was not only the future of the club but also this country. Nothing more nothing less. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.A.I 36,183 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 1 minute ago, sonofbear said: The fuck he said that. He said that McCrorie was not only the future of the club but also this country. Nothing more nothing less. that's the same thing ya nutjob ... if your the club and countries future, then by sheer definition your the countries best? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofbear 398 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, K.A.I said: that's the same thing ya nutjob ... if your the club and countries future, then by sheer definition your the countries best? and that's hardly the best centre half in Scottish History is it sandshoe boy ? But hey yeah. Lets just make more shite up about our manager. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.