Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 7 minutes ago, KingKirk said: I assume he takes responsibility if they fail and walks awayIf a manager is sacked etc on results then IMO signings should be his job. Every manager that fails can say they weren't his players if he had a say none would be at the club then what? Sack DOF start again ? Its about time we got a fuckin grip You really aren’t grasping how this works are you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSM 20,892 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Here's a thought (that someone might have already said but I haven't seen it anywhere), could it have been this that caused McInnes to back out of taking the manager's job? The mind boggles at the dross that McInnes would have signed if he had a free rein. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 8 minutes ago, Gustav said: No it doesn't, it increases the chances of a manager having to work with players he might not want to. Again your not grasping how it works. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, KingKirk said: Ask spurs fans how they felt 90million was spent when they sold bale that was the DOF. Unless you have a bottomless pit of cash mate the DOF system wont work Bollocks. So if you don’t have a bottomless pit of cash it makes more sense to leave it to one guy who could be out the door in 6 months. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingKirk 25,461 Posted December 12, 2017 Author Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Courtyard Bear said: You really aren’t grasping how this works are you. I know fine well how it works by committee and that my friend is a car crash waiting to happen Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingKirk 25,461 Posted December 12, 2017 Author Share Posted December 12, 2017 Brenda worked under that system at Pool wasted millions on utter shit Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangecountry 148 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 33 minutes ago, psb07158 said: That's generally what a Director of Football does...the manager has input and at some clubs the manager has final sign-off but it is the DoF who identifies and pursues targets. And this is exactly why the role doesn't work Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 minute ago, KingKirk said: I know fine well how it works by committee and that my friend is a car crash waiting to happen Again bollocks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSM 20,892 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, Gustav said: Hopefully that isn't the boards attitude because nobody with any self respect is going to take the job. Make sure you appoint the right manager and you don't have to worry about this sort of nonsense. Maybe it's more about keeping check on the manager's signing suggestions. So rather than just blindly going out and signing a Waghorn or a Rossiter on the manager's say-so, the DOF spends a bit of time doing proper research on the player and has final sign off to make sure we're not signing duds or crocks. Given how many millions we've wasted over the years paying off said duds and crocks, I don't see a bit of control as being a bad thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 63,954 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Just now, FSM said: Here's a thought (that soneone might have already said but I haven't seen it anywhere), could it have been this that caused McInnes to back out of taking the manager's job? The mind boggles at the dross that McInnes would have signed if he had a free rein. According to @K.A.I that is the reason. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingKirk 25,461 Posted December 12, 2017 Author Share Posted December 12, 2017 Just now, Courtyard Bear said: Again bollocks. we shall see Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 minute ago, KingKirk said: Brenda worked under that system at Pool wasted millions on utter shit You can only waste millions if you’ve millions to spend. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gj923 1,457 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 If we had a track record of signing quality players that increased in value over the last 5 years then I could see some peoples point. We don't and rather we have had AM, MW and Pedro sign a raft of players with a lot of them not working out. We don't have a manager right now but we do have a DOF and scouting department building up a database which hopefully includes all our opposition as well as the likes of England and Europe. That way when we do have one and they identify areas that need filled we should have options ready to look at. I simply see this as positive. I would see it as an issue if the DOF starts having the authority to sign players without any input from a manager Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 minute ago, KingKirk said: we shall see ?? This is true Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSM 20,892 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, Gustav said: According to @K.A.I that is the reason. I'm actually one of KAIs "few good sources". Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prso's headband 34,990 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 The DOF, for me, has one window to win me over. He’s done very little in the role so far to justify his wage and stature at the club. DJ has been a decent signing but he’s hardly been exceptional. He needs to get this right in January if he is identifying and signing players. IMO though, it’s only gona go tits up unless we sign a manager who has a successful history of working under a DOF, and they are few and far between Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,205 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 20 minutes ago, Gustav said: Aye 2 or 3 people having to come to an agreement over which players to sign is simpler than letting the manager pick the players he wants at his disposal Its not simpler but it's less likely to make a howling cunt of it. In any walk of life someone making big decisions should have another person ratifying them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaffbear 4,095 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Here's hoping he's got a bit of clout down south and can pull in some belters ... As long as theyre quality and improve us I don't care who signs them to be honest . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.A.I 36,183 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 8 minutes ago, Gustav said: According to @K.A.I that is the reason. All the pieces fit Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.A.I 36,183 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 5 minutes ago, FSM said: I'm actually one of KAIs "few good sources". I’ve got sources but dicks like you would rather make puns than listen to what reliable people say I call it the Kenny Miller neighbour syndrome Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerwelly 115 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 There is a big difference between identifying targets and picking which players to make a move for and then agreeing contracts etc and I think this is where a lot of people seem to be getting mixed up. Manager wants a left winger. Dof and scouts have already identified targets within our financial reach and fit into the play style culture if our team. Manger is then presented with the list of players and picks who he wants to move for and player B and player C Dof then actually signs the players. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSM 20,892 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 minute ago, K.A.I said: I’ve got sources but dicks like you would rather make puns than listen to what reliable people say I call it the Kenny Miller neighbour syndrome Simmer doon love. Anyone coming onto the internet with the "I've got sources" patter is just asking for the 'scowl of suspicion'. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.A.I 36,183 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 7 minutes ago, FSM said: Simmer doon love. Anyone coming onto the internet with the "I've got sources" patter is just asking for the 'scowl of suspicion'. Absolutely no context there let me remind you of the timeline .. the op made a thread asking for reasons, I made a massive list you then later said one of my reasons on the list was trivial I said losing out on a top transfer target because of King not being contactable isn’t trivial it’s negligible you then said I got my sources down the pub I told you it’s from the players agent who is also a bluenose you drew the patter/sources out and couldn’t handle it when told and then said you’ve no idea how to respond so you are backing out you come back in saying shite like Paul Murray answers his phone like it’s great patter mate as I said people like you will always live with your head in the sand you can’t sit there and try to move goalposts on me over situations you’ve created Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingKirk 25,461 Posted December 12, 2017 Author Share Posted December 12, 2017 5 minutes ago, Gerwelly said: There is a big difference between identifying targets and picking which players to make a move for and then agreeing contracts etc and I think this is where a lot of people seem to be getting mixed up. Manager wants a left winger. Dof and scouts have already identified targets within our financial reach and fit into the play style culture if our team. Manger is then presented with the list of players and picks who he wants to move for and player B and player C Dof then actually signs the players. They wouldn't be a target if we didn't want to move for them Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingKirk 25,461 Posted December 12, 2017 Author Share Posted December 12, 2017 5 minutes ago, Gerwelly said: There is a big difference between identifying targets and picking which players to make a move for and then agreeing contracts etc and I think this is where a lot of people seem to be getting mixed up. Manager wants a left winger. Dof and scouts have already identified targets within our financial reach and fit into the play style culture if our team. Manger is then presented with the list of players and picks who he wants to move for and player B and player C Dof then actually signs the players. They wouldn't be a target if we didn't want to move for them Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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