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Pot 3 is the most likely destination, as much as i want a shitty group so we can qualify through, i want at least one big gun like ur real madrids or something to grace Ibrox and show them what a real stadium and supporters r all about!

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Pot 1 coef. Pot 2 coef.

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AC Milan (TH) Ita 133.808 Valencia *** Esp 99.374

FC Barcelona Esp 119.374 Olympique Lyon Fra 95.706

Liverpool *** Eng 112.618 FC Porto Por 89.107

Internazionale Ita 107.808 Sevilla *** Esp 87.374

Arsenal *** Eng 104.618 PSV Eindhoven Ned 81.995

Real Madrid Esp 104.374 AS Roma Ita 78.808

Chelsea Eng 99.618 Benfica *** Por 67.107

Manchester United Eng 99.618 Ajax *** Ned 65.995

Pot 3 coef. Pot 4 coef.

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Werder Bremen *** Ger 63.640 Olympique Marseille Fra 51.706

Celtic *** Sco 62.064 Glasgow Rangers ** Sco 47.064

Schalke 04 Ger 60.640 Shakhtar Donetsk ** Ukr 44.726

VfB Stuttgart Ger 58.640 Besiktas ** Tur 43.791

Steaua Bucuresti ** Rom 55.255 Olympiakos Piraeus Gre 42.415

CSKA Moscow Rus 53.920 Anderlecht *** Bel 41.594

Sporting CP Lisbon Por 52.107 Dinamo Kiev *** Ukr 38.726

Lazio Roma *** Ita 51.808 Levski Sofia ** Bul 38.112

We need 2 teams to drop out at the 3rd stage of qualifying, so that we can move up

Liverpool, Arsenal, Valencia, Sevilla, Benfica, Ajax, Werder Bremen, Celtic, Steaua Bucharest and Roma

What 2 teams are not going to make it?

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Pot 1 coef. Pot 2 coef.

------------------------ --- ------- ------------------------ --- -------

AC Milan (TH) Ita 133.808 Valencia *** Esp 99.374

FC Barcelona Esp 119.374 Olympique Lyon Fra 95.706

Liverpool *** Eng 112.618 FC Porto Por 89.107

Internazionale Ita 107.808 Sevilla *** Esp 87.374

Arsenal *** Eng 104.618 PSV Eindhoven Ned 81.995

Real Madrid Esp 104.374 AS Roma Ita 78.808

Chelsea Eng 99.618 Benfica *** Por 67.107

Manchester United Eng 99.618 Ajax *** Ned 65.995

Pot 3 coef. Pot 4 coef.

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Werder Bremen *** Ger 63.640 Olympique Marseille Fra 51.706

Celtic *** Sco 62.064 Glasgow Rangers ** Sco 47.064

Schalke 04 Ger 60.640 Shakhtar Donetsk ** Ukr 44.726

VfB Stuttgart Ger 58.640 Besiktas ** Tur 43.791

Steaua Bucuresti ** Rom 55.255 Olympiakos Piraeus Gre 42.415

CSKA Moscow Rus 53.920 Anderlecht *** Bel 41.594

Sporting CP Lisbon Por 52.107 Dinamo Kiev *** Ukr 38.726

Lazio Roma *** Ita 51.808 Levski Sofia ** Bul 38.112

We need 2 teams to drop out at the 3rd stage of qualifying, so that we can move up

Liverpool, Arsenal, Valencia, Sevilla, Benfica, Ajax, Werder Bremen, Celtic, Steaua Bucharest and Roma

What 2 teams are not going to make it?

Steaua Bucharest, Ajax and possibly Roma depending on who they all get

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Luck of the draw is more important than whether we're in 3 or 4. It would be quite possible to have a worse draw while in pot 3, rather than pot 4. It increases the odds of a decent draw, being in the higher group, obviously.

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Tbh, regardless of what pot we are in, just the group stages would be good enough.

If we get pot 4, then we have 3 biggish teams, revenue.. and any wins will give us etter coefficient for the year ahead.

If we get pot 3, we have a better chance of going through to last 16, or at least uefa cup.

Either way its plus plus just getting into group stages.

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Pot 1 coef. Pot 2 coef.

------------------------ --- ------- ------------------------ --- -------

AC Milan (TH) Ita 133.808 Valencia *** Esp 99.374

FC Barcelona Esp 119.374 Olympique Lyon Fra 95.706

Liverpool *** Eng 112.618 FC Porto Por 89.107

Internazionale Ita 107.808 Sevilla *** Esp 87.374

Arsenal *** Eng 104.618 PSV Eindhoven Ned 81.995

Real Madrid Esp 104.374 AS Roma Ita 78.808

Chelsea Eng 99.618 Benfica *** Por 67.107

Manchester United Eng 99.618 Ajax *** Ned 65.995

Pot 3 coef. Pot 4 coef.

------------------------ --- ------- ------------------------ --- -------

Werder Bremen *** Ger 63.640 Olympique Marseille Fra 51.706

Celtic *** Sco 62.064 Glasgow Rangers ** Sco 47.064

Schalke 04 Ger 60.640 Shakhtar Donetsk ** Ukr 44.726

VfB Stuttgart Ger 58.640 Besiktas ** Tur 43.791

Steaua Bucuresti ** Rom 55.255 Olympiakos Piraeus Gre 42.415

CSKA Moscow Rus 53.920 Anderlecht *** Bel 41.594

Sporting CP Lisbon Por 52.107 Dinamo Kiev *** Ukr 38.726

Lazio Roma *** Ita 51.808 Levski Sofia ** Bul 38.112

We need 2 teams to drop out at the 3rd stage of qualifying, so that we can move up

Liverpool, Arsenal, Valencia, Sevilla, Benfica, Ajax, Werder Bremen, Celtic, Steaua Bucharest and Roma

What 2 teams are not going to make it?

Ajax, Werder Bremen, Celtic, Steaua Bucharest possibly could be the weaker teams to not make it.

If Celtic go out it would be an ULTRA bonus, as we'd get all the money set aside.

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Pot 1 coef. Pot 2 coef.

------------------------ --- ------- ------------------------ --- -------

AC Milan (TH) Ita 133.808 Valencia *** Esp 99.374

FC Barcelona Esp 119.374 Olympique Lyon Fra 95.706

Liverpool *** Eng 112.618 FC Porto Por 89.107

Internazionale Ita 107.808 Sevilla *** Esp 87.374

Arsenal *** Eng 104.618 PSV Eindhoven Ned 81.995

Real Madrid Esp 104.374 AS Roma Ita 78.808

Chelsea Eng 99.618 Benfica *** Por 67.107

Manchester United Eng 99.618 Ajax *** Ned 65.995

Pot 3 coef. Pot 4 coef.

------------------------ --- ------- ------------------------ --- -------

Werder Bremen *** Ger 63.640 Olympique Marseille Fra 51.706

Celtic *** Sco 62.064 Glasgow Rangers ** Sco 47.064

Schalke 04 Ger 60.640 Shakhtar Donetsk ** Ukr 44.726

VfB Stuttgart Ger 58.640 Besiktas ** Tur 43.791

Steaua Bucuresti ** Rom 55.255 Olympiakos Piraeus Gre 42.415

CSKA Moscow Rus 53.920 Anderlecht *** Bel 41.594

Sporting CP Lisbon Por 52.107 Dinamo Kiev *** Ukr 38.726

Lazio Roma *** Ita 51.808 Levski Sofia ** Bul 38.112

We need 2 teams to drop out at the 3rd stage of qualifying, so that we can move up

Liverpool, Arsenal, Valencia, Sevilla, Benfica, Ajax, Werder Bremen, Celtic, Steaua Bucharest and Roma

What 2 teams are not going to make it?

Ajax, Werder Bremen, Celtic, Steaua Bucharest possibly could be the weaker teams to not make it.

If Celtic go out it would be an ULTRA bonus, as we'd get all the money set aside.

arent celtic already through?

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Pot 1 coef. Pot 2 coef.

------------------------ --- ------- ------------------------ --- -------

AC Milan (TH) Ita 133.808 Valencia *** Esp 99.374

FC Barcelona Esp 119.374 Olympique Lyon Fra 95.706

Liverpool *** Eng 112.618 FC Porto Por 89.107

Internazionale Ita 107.808 Sevilla *** Esp 87.374

Arsenal *** Eng 104.618 PSV Eindhoven Ned 81.995

Real Madrid Esp 104.374 AS Roma Ita 78.808

Chelsea Eng 99.618 Benfica *** Por 67.107

Manchester United Eng 99.618 Ajax *** Ned 65.995

Pot 3 coef. Pot 4 coef.

------------------------ --- ------- ------------------------ --- -------

Werder Bremen *** Ger 63.640 Olympique Marseille Fra 51.706

Celtic *** Sco 62.064 Glasgow Rangers ** Sco 47.064

Schalke 04 Ger 60.640 Shakhtar Donetsk ** Ukr 44.726

VfB Stuttgart Ger 58.640 Besiktas ** Tur 43.791

Steaua Bucuresti ** Rom 55.255 Olympiakos Piraeus Gre 42.415

CSKA Moscow Rus 53.920 Anderlecht *** Bel 41.594

Sporting CP Lisbon Por 52.107 Dinamo Kiev *** Ukr 38.726

Lazio Roma *** Ita 51.808 Levski Sofia ** Bul 38.112

We need 2 teams to drop out at the 3rd stage of qualifying, so that we can move up

Liverpool, Arsenal, Valencia, Sevilla, Benfica, Ajax, Werder Bremen, Celtic, Steaua Bucharest and Roma

What 2 teams are not going to make it?

Ajax, Werder Bremen, Celtic, Steaua Bucharest possibly could be the weaker teams to not make it.

If Celtic go out it would be an ULTRA bonus, as we'd get all the money set aside.

Werder Bremen, Celtic and Steaua Burcharest are not weak teams. And Ajax are the mighty Ajax

Teams like Shakhtar will be thinking.... That Rangers team are weak, Hopefully they go out.

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Teams like Shakhtar will be thinking.... That Rangers team are weak, Hopefully they go out.

Sadly you are right about that, and that is one of the most damaging legacies of the problems we have had in Europe over the years. Even when we made the last 16, it wasn't viewed as us felling giants but rather grinding out ok results.

What we need (as someone said above) are a couple of really big teams to come to Rangers, be stunned by the atmosphere, have the game taken to them and for them to lose. And then people will start treating us as a threat.

Sadly last year, we didn't inspire that sort of respect in St Mirren, never mind Ajax.

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