bluebovril 110 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 3 hours ago, ianferguson said: "Regardless of the outcome, UEFA are unlikely to take any action over the matter, having a five-year limit on dealing with historic cases." The statement ends with theses words so whats the fuc*ing point of all this. A transfer ban just to fuck us up mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyBlue 17,113 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 This has probably already been covered, or maybe (probably) i am being thick. Are the SFA claiming the current club/company is basically the oldco? which makes me wonder on what basis were we demoted to the third division? If they are not referring the newco is the same as the oldco, then what the fuck is the point in what they are doing, surely its totally irrelevant? I dont understand any of this ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post .Williamson. 82,141 Posted May 15, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2018 Can somebody explain this all to me? I'm genuinely confused as to whats happening here jintybear, MattyBlue, LegendofCoop and 2 others 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 1 minute ago, MattyBlue said: This has probably already been covered, or maybe (probably) i am being thick. Are the SFA claiming the current club/company is basically the oldco? which makes me wonder on what basis were we demoted to the third division? If they are not referring the newco is the same as the oldco, then what the fuck is the point in what they are doing, surely its totally irrelevant? I dont understand any of this ! No, the newco (which owns and operates the club) but is the actual member of the Scottish FA took on any potential disciplinary charges that would have been issued against the oldco as a condition of being granted a transferred SFA membership and SFL associate membership rather than having to undergo the application process to join as a new member. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegendofCoop 17,273 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 1 minute ago, .Williamson. said: Can somebody explain this all to me? I'm genuinely confused as to whats happening here Snap. Confused as fuck....again!! .Williamson., BridgeIsBlue and jintybear 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Williamson. 82,141 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Just now, The Dude said: No, the newco (which owns and operates the club) but is the actual member of the Scottish FA took on any potential disciplinary charges that would have been issued against the oldco as a condition of being granted a transferred SFA membership and SFL associate membership rather than having to undergo the application process to join as a new member. Does any of this mean anything? Will anything come of all this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyBlue 17,113 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Just now, The Dude said: No, the newco (which owns and operates the club) but is the actual member of the Scottish FA took on any potential disciplinary charges that would have been issued against the oldco as a condition of being granted a transferred SFA membership and SFL associate membership rather than having to undergo the application process to join as a new member. That clears a lot up mate thanks. What a fucking insane thing to agree too ? surely it was clear as day some time down the line they would stick the knife right in and twist it Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Williamson. 82,141 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Just now, LegendofCoop said: Snap. Confused as fuck....again!! This is why I never post in the boardroom section. I have no idea about the legal shite involved in the club BridgeIsBlue, ForeverAndEver and jintybear 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyBlue 17,113 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Just now, .Williamson. said: Does any of this mean anything? Will anything come of all this? Sounds like fucking bad news to me if we (Newco) have accepted to take on any disciplinary actions that would have been implemented on the oldco Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegendofCoop 17,273 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Just now, .Williamson. said: This is why I never post in the boardroom section. I have no idea about the legal shite involved in the club Same here mate.....haven't even ventured in there for months. Just don't understand any of it all. jintybear, BridgeIsBlue and .Williamson. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Williamson. 82,141 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Just now, LegendofCoop said: Same here mate.....haven't even ventured in there for months. Just don't understand any of it all. I just like to know the basics so I can argue the pish that taigs might come out with. They tend to know legal stuff about our club that i've never seen mentioned anywhere though LegendofCoop and BridgeIsBlue 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennybongo 110 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Nothing will happen. Small fine. The Dude and Gazza2258 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Shaw 30,453 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, .Williamson. said: This is why I never post in the boardroom section. I have no idea about the legal shite involved in the club Same as the ones who do post in there mate, they just kid on they know. .Williamson., ForeverAndEver, BridgeIsBlue and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Williamson. 82,141 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, MattyBlue said: Sounds like fucking bad news to me if we (Newco) have accepted to take on any disciplinary actions that would have been implemented on the oldco We get top of the league next year by 10 clear points and they fuck us into division 3 again Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, .Williamson. said: Does any of this mean anything? Will anything come of all this? It could be really bad - worst case (fine of 5m, transfer ban, revoked membership) - but I don’t think it’ll be much more than a fine of £10k. LegendofCoop 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegendofCoop 17,273 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, .Williamson. said: I just like to know the basics so I can argue the pish that taigs might come out with. They tend to know legal stuff about our club that i've never seen mentioned anywhere though That's what we're doing wrong. We should have gone onto KDS to ask someone over there. ritchieshearercaldow, BridgeIsBlue and .Williamson. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 7 minutes ago, MattyBlue said: That clears a lot up mate thanks. What a fucking insane thing to agree too ? surely it was clear as day some time down the line they would stick the knife right in and twist it I agree. We should have challenged it at the time but didn’t. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyBlue 17,113 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 1 minute ago, .Williamson. said: We get top of the league next year by 10 clear points and they fuck us into division 3 again To be fair thinking about it, are the SFA partly at fault for not doing their own due diligence on such a sensitive matter that was declared, and on top of that given the benefit of hindsight and who was in charge at the time, if we get the correct legal reps on this im sure nothing will come of it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
raging blue 1972 894 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 1 hour ago, The Dude said: Having had a wee flick through the judicial protocol stuff there, they can fine us up to £5million and/or kick us out the Scottish Cup and/or remove our membership and/or apply 'any other sanction' which applies to literally ANY other offence in the rules. So pretty much whatever they want. I think this is more about doing something so they can now turn around and say they've done something so £250,000 fine it is then - just another money grab Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyBlue 17,113 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 1 minute ago, The Dude said: I agree. We should have challenged it at the time but didn’t. What was the alternative? An application to join as a totally new club? or could we still have done an application of some sort and be the same club, without accepting the potential disciplinary actions ? Im a bit of a simpleton Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grundy 731 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Maybe I'm a bit naïve but surely they can't penalise us for stuff that happened 5 or 6 years ago when we were under different management. You'd think a competent legal team could drive busses through that surely. Bad Robot 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
raging blue 1972 894 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 1 minute ago, MattyBlue said: What was the alternative? An application to join as a totally new club? or could we still have done an application of some sort and be the same club, without accepting the potential disciplinary actions ? Im a bit of a simpleton think was part of 5 way agreement and think club statement was a veiled threat alluding to this re provisions bit The Dude 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don54 25,517 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 1 hour ago, The Dude said: Can’t particularly remember the specifics but it was generally just that sevco Scotland will take responsibility for anything RFC2012 done and SFA will transfer licence from 2012 to Sevco without going through application process to join the SFL Is this it ? https://www.sfm.scot/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/164607084-5-Way-Agreement-As-issued-to-all-parties-for-signature-1.pdf Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejay the dj 31,964 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, The Dude said: It could be really bad - worst case (fine of 5m, transfer ban, revoked membership) - but I don’t think it’ll be much more than a fine of £10k. Maybe even 10 million Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, moody blue 1972 said: so £250,000 fine it is then - just another money grab The ‘top end’ is £100k (despite the max being 5m) so if it is a cash grab then think they’d go for that. raging blue 1972 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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