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Thanks to bilkobear, from another message board. Interesting stuff.

Could the last Castle really be about to fall?

I have posted on here several times that I believe the present onslaught on our club is something more than merely a football matter.

For me Rangers have always represented Protestantism within Scotland, and indeed were only second to the Kirk itself as a popular form of expression for this very unique Scottish ethnic/religious culture.

That is why we are more than just a football club.

Many may not like this, but that is not their choice.

We are what we are because our Forefathers determined our place in the world.

They then passed on the love of this club that they had shaped, as a cultural gift to later generations.

This is where we are today.

Inheritors of something our Fathers/Grandfathers gave to us.

This does not mean that you have to be Scottish or Protestant to love the Club, no more than you have to be Catalonian to support or admire Barcelona.

But you have to live with the reality and accept us for what we are.

If you cannot do this then you have no place amongst us.

(Goodbye Sandy Jardine.)

Today we are in present and real danger of destruction.

Why?

Well the Kirk has itself been undermined by decades of woolly liberal thinking and moral decay.

No longer the Firebrand leader of a Fiery Race, it has surrendered its cultural position to become a Politically Correct toothless sideline commentator, in its own backyard, frightened of its own once awesome shadow.

Where once Fulton Mackay would have played a fine Kirk Minister, John Le Mesurier would today be a more fitting cast.

That once great castle has already fallen.

It is not ill chance that has taken Scotland to this state.

Instead we have been involved in a Civil War.

There has been no fighting as such, for such is the tolerant nature of the besieged, that the invading enemy never had any need to arms.

Oh surprise, some haven't noticed.

Aye, and many will deny.

Well wake up.

There are two cultures in Scotland, and the culture most successfully fighting for and winning our country is not the Protestant one.

Instead it is a culture fed by a central controlling authority that has always maintained that it would succeed in the long war.

400 years of Reformation is nothing in such terms.

Oh and by the way, officially you can all go to hell, because that is where by design you are destined.

Never mind FTP, he has given it to you already with bells on.

And this is the reason why Rangers must also fall.

Culturally we are the Last Protestant Castle.

Ironically we are a more difficult bastion of resistance than the Kirk.

But to break us you have to break the spirit, the walls.

The Support itself.

That is why we are constantly being demonized in the Press.

That is why there is no level playing field left in our society.

That is why we have been reduced to the status of second class citizens.

That is why so many, even on this board, now feel that it is not worth the candle.

Slowly the spirit of resistance is ebbing.

Only when the walls are suitably weakened will the Castle itself fall, and Scotland will then undefended tumble back into the arms of the Vatican.

Don't say that you have not been warned.

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IMO. Political correctness is indeed slowly destroying the very fabric of the UK as we know it. Liberalism has made our streets a far more dangerous place to be than they were 30 years ago. Roman Catholicism is in a much better position to fight to keep the status quo than we are simply because of their Apartheid School system, where their children are radicalized in much the same way that Muslim children are at their religious schools. They grow up believing that their religious beliefs are more important than anything else. Where our apathetic attitude is let them get on with it.

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Thanks to bilkobear, from another message board. Interesting stuff.

Could the last Castle really be about to fall?

I have posted on here several times that I believe the present onslaught on our club is something more than merely a football matter.

For me Rangers have always represented Protestantism within Scotland, and indeed were only second to the Kirk itself as a popular form of expression for this very unique Scottish ethnic/religious culture.

That is why we are more than just a football club.

Many may not like this, but that is not their choice.

We are what we are because our Forefathers determined our place in the world.

They then passed on the love of this club that they had shaped, as a cultural gift to later generations.

This is where we are today.

Inheritors of something our Fathers/Grandfathers gave to us.

This does not mean that you have to be Scottish or Protestant to love the Club, no more than you have to be Catalonian to support or admire Barcelona.

But you have to live with the reality and accept us for what we are.

If you cannot do this then you have no place amongst us.

(Goodbye Sandy Jardine.)

Today we are in present and real danger of destruction.

Why?

Well the Kirk has itself been undermined by decades of woolly liberal thinking and moral decay.

No longer the Firebrand leader of a Fiery Race, it has surrendered its cultural position to become a Politically Correct toothless sideline commentator, in its own backyard, frightened of its own once awesome shadow.

Where once Fulton Mackay would have played a fine Kirk Minister, John Le Mesurier would today be a more fitting cast.

That once great castle has already fallen.

It is not ill chance that has taken Scotland to this state.

Instead we have been involved in a Civil War.

There has been no fighting as such, for such is the tolerant nature of the besieged, that the invading enemy never had any need to arms.

Oh surprise, some haven't noticed.

Aye, and many will deny.

Well wake up.

There are two cultures in Scotland, and the culture most successfully fighting for and winning our country is not the Protestant one.

Instead it is a culture fed by a central controlling authority that has always maintained that it would succeed in the long war.

400 years of Reformation is nothing in such terms.

Oh and by the way, officially you can all go to hell, because that is where by design you are destined.

Never mind FTP, he has given it to you already with bells on.

And this is the reason why Rangers must also fall.

Culturally we are the Last Protestant Castle.

Ironically we are a more difficult bastion of resistance than the Kirk.

But to break us you have to break the spirit, the walls.

The Support itself.

That is why we are constantly being demonized in the Press.

That is why there is no level playing field left in our society.

That is why we have been reduced to the status of second class citizens.

That is why so many, even on this board, now feel that it is not worth the candle.

Slowly the spirit of resistance is ebbing.

Only when the walls are suitably weakened will the Castle itself fall, and Scotland will then undefended tumble back into the arms of the Vatican.

Don't say that you have not been warned.

A fantastic post albeit from elsewhere and one I hope is read and heeded by our how can I say it our more liberal brethren, you know the one's that think that ending our Protestant links will make for a better Scottish society and everything will be OK ! :sherlock:

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Sorry, but that is utter pesh

Every last word of it

it is because of attitudes like this that Rangers are in danger - this flippin siege mentality, they are all out to get us. Scotlands sickness.

Wish all you weedrees would beggar aff (from both sides of Glasgow) and leave the football to the real fans

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Sorry, but that is utter pesh

Every last word of it

it is because of attitudes like this that Rangers are in danger - this flippin siege mentality, they are all out to get us. Scotlands sickness.

Wish all you weedrees would beggar aff (from both sides of Glasgow) and leave the football to the real fans

Bigot.

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Sorry, but that is utter pesh

Every last word of it

it is because of attitudes like this that Rangers are in danger - this flippin siege mentality, they are all out to get us. Scotlands sickness.

Wish all you weedrees would beggar aff (from both sides of Glasgow) and leave the football to the real fans

I wonder who Rangers would be better off without...Sandy Jardine or bilkobear...mmm...it's a toughie.

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Sorry, but that is utter pesh

Every last word of it

it is because of attitudes like this that Rangers are in danger - this flippin siege mentality, they are all out to get us. Scotlands sickness.

Wish all you weedrees would beggar aff (from both sides of Glasgow) and leave the football to the real fans

surprise surprise here is a member of our board that has never got anything good to say about our fans every post you keep attacking our fans between calling them racists or bigots, and you claim to be a rangers fan, in my opinion you are a reporter, and work for one of the rags in scotland. :pipegreen:

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Its all very romantic but I cannae say I'm a big fan of the opening post either, this is a Football Club and not a religious sect

I think that some treat and see RFC as an extension of the Orange Order

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Its all very romantic but I cannae say I'm a big fan of the opening post either, this is a Football Club and not a religious sect

I think that some treat and see RFC as an extension of the Orange Order

That's where double standards comes into it...

The opening post relates to a lot of Rangers fans, I am sure you will agree. The reason for this is the history of the club.

So...Why shouldn't these fans be allowed to associate their club with their religion, given the past of the club, the fans, the staff, everyone involed with Rangers has mainly been associated with what is being said in the opening post about Protestantism.

Not once have I seen an arguement asking all fans to follow, celebrate and uphold our traditions and history. However I have seen the arguement of people asking fans to let it drop.

I do not care if you don't follow the traditions and celebrate our history. All I ask is people respect them...But that has certainly not happened over the past few months.

Try walking into a Mosque and shouting Allah is a fanny! You are spitting on the beliefs of thousands of fans, so do not whine and bitch when you are not treated with respect. <---------------Bauba take note!

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this is a Football Club and not a religious sect

Exactly.

It's always been a football club but with traditions linked to the protestant faith. It's you guys that are trying to change things.

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Sorry, but that is utter pesh

Every last word of it

it is because of attitudes like this that Rangers are in danger - this flippin siege mentality, they are all out to get us. Scotlands sickness.

Wish all you weedrees would beggar aff (from both sides of Glasgow) and leave the football to the real fans

surprise surprise here is a member of our board that has never got anything good to say about our fans every post you keep attacking our fans between calling them racists or bigots, and you claim to be a rangers fan, in my opinion you are a reporter, and work for one of the rags in scotland. :pipegreen:

I call it as i see it Minstral - I see Rangers as my football team, period!

Some of you guys see it as way more than that - in fact I beleive some of you couldnt care less about the football side as long as we held onto past associations.

But to play your game, I am not attacking Gers legends whos only crime was to say that we have come a long way in the last 30 years or so

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Its all very romantic but I cannae say I'm a big fan of the opening post either, this is a Football Club and not a religious sect

I think that some treat and see RFC as an extension of the Orange Order

That's where double standards comes into it...

The opening post relates to a lot of Rangers fans, I am sure you will agree. The reason for this is the history of the club.

So...Why shouldn't these fans be allowed to associate their club with their religion, given the past of the club, the fans, the staff, everyone involed with Rangers has mainly been associated with what is being said in the opening post about Protestantism.

Not once have I seen an arguement asking all fans to follow, celebrate and uphold our traditions and history. However I have seen the arguement of people asking fans to let it drop.

I do not care if you don't follow the traditions and celebrate our history. All I ask is people respect them...But that has certainly not happened over the past few months.

Try walking into a Mosque and shouting Allah is a fanny! You are spitting on the beliefs of thousands of fans, so do not whine and bitch when you are not treated with respect. <---------------Bauba take note!

Take note of what leaper? lol - I have never said I disapprove of people following a particular faith - I just say that the club has to drop or at the very least curtail its past religious associations in order to protect the club from easy attacks in the future

In no way have I said that being a Proddy is wrong - amazed how often I have to reiterate this really. Thought you at least would actually read the threads and not follow the lies and propoganda of the usual suspects.

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this is a Football Club and not a religious sect

Exactly.

It's always been a football club but with traditions linked to the protestant faith. It's you guys that are trying to change things.

Nobody is TRYING to change anything mate. We are giving our opinion on how we believe the club should go forward. The club is not going to change too much - we can all see that surely?

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Its all very romantic but I cannae say I'm a big fan of the opening post either, this is a Football Club and not a religious sect

I think that some treat and see RFC as an extension of the Orange Order

That's where double standards comes into it...

The opening post relates to a lot of Rangers fans, I am sure you will agree. The reason for this is the history of the club.

So...Why shouldn't these fans be allowed to associate their club with their religion, given the past of the club, the fans, the staff, everyone involed with Rangers has mainly been associated with what is being said in the opening post about Protestantism.

Not once have I seen an arguement asking all fans to follow, celebrate and uphold our traditions and history. However I have seen the arguement of people asking fans to let it drop.

I do not care if you don't follow the traditions and celebrate our history. All I ask is people respect them...But that has certainly not happened over the past few months.

Try walking into a Mosque and shouting Allah is a fanny! You are spitting on the beliefs of thousands of fans, so do not whine and bitch when you are not treated with respect. <---------------Bauba take note!

Take note of what leaper? lol - I have never said I disapprove of people following a particular faith - I just say that the club has to drop or at the very least curtail its past religious associations in order to protect the club from easy attacks in the future

In no way have I said that being a Proddy is wrong - amazed how often I have to reiterate this really. Thought you at least would actually read the threads and not follow the lies and propoganda of the usual suspects.

Is that you manipulating my posts again Bauba?

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Its all very romantic but I cannae say I'm a big fan of the opening post either, this is a Football Club and not a religious sect

I think that some treat and see RFC as an extension of the Orange Order

That's where double standards comes into it...

The opening post relates to a lot of Rangers fans, I am sure you will agree. The reason for this is the history of the club.

So...Why shouldn't these fans be allowed to associate their club with their religion, given the past of the club, the fans, the staff, everyone involed with Rangers has mainly been associated with what is being said in the opening post about Protestantism.

Not once have I seen an arguement asking all fans to follow, celebrate and uphold our traditions and history. However I have seen the arguement of people asking fans to let it drop.

I do not care if you don't follow the traditions and celebrate our history. All I ask is people respect them...But that has certainly not happened over the past few months.

Try walking into a Mosque and shouting Allah is a fanny! You are spitting on the beliefs of thousands of fans, so do not whine and bitch when you are not treated with respect. <---------------Bauba take note!

Take note of what leaper? lol - I have never said I disapprove of people following a particular faith - I just say that the club has to drop or at the very least curtail its past religious associations in order to protect the club from easy attacks in the future

In no way have I said that being a Proddy is wrong - amazed how often I have to reiterate this really. Thought you at least would actually read the threads and not follow the lies and propoganda of the usual suspects.

Is that you manipulating my posts again Bauba?

Not at all, you say I am spitting on the beleifs of thousands of fans

Which is nonsense, I do not have a problem with them following whatever type of faith they like - I have a problem in todays climate with Rangers maintaining close links to one particular faith - at a time when we are under attack from all outsiders

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You know what, I'm not Scottish, my mother was, but I'm not. I'm a Canadian. So perhaps my comments yesterday were out of line. So if I offended anyone, I apologize. My support for Rangers is passed down to me.

That said, I do not believe for one second that there is a snowflakes chance in hell of the Roman catholic church taking over much of anything anymore. That seems to be the justification here. The fact is that when it comes to Jesus' church (and I'm not talking organized religion, I mean the global body of Christians, regardless of label), we are in the midst of the great falling away. Fewer people believe in Jesus now that ever, and it's getting worse.

Do you really think that the public at large is going to accept rule from Rome? We live in times when people believe it perfectly fine to have abortions, sex before marriage, entertain themselves with drunkenness and pornography, and are outright hostile to Christianity in general, regardless of it's form.

So, if the justification for usung a football club as a political and cultural tool is to save Scotland from popery, then I think it's misguided. Political correctness and liberalism are not anti-protestant. They are anti CHRISTIAN.

But that brings us back to the hypocracy. One the one hand saying "Rangers are a protestant club and should be" and then not bothering to be a christian at all, let alone a protestant. Clamouring about Rangers' protestant roots whilst swilling back the pints and talking of fighting with the enemy.

Protestantism is Christianity. That battlefield is fought in the mind, not on the battlefield. All the Kings and Popes of history who raised armies and slaughtered millions to secure that their "brand" of religion of thair sect of Christianity were wrong to do so. This is not my opinion. This is GOD's opinion. It's scriptural. Those of you who worship the Lord and study his word know this to be true.

So, as a part of Rangers history, or as a part of Rangers heritage, it should be respected. But it seems hardly a justification itself.

Now, I understand that part of it is not religious, but political. And this is maintained, partly, as a reaction to the Celtic Football Club. Their supporters, who get off scot free regardless of behaviour, are constantly politicizing everything. They are, in reality, the worst fans on the face of the earth, and the greatest pretenders. Pushing RoI political issues at the football, flying palestianian and basque flags as signs of support for their "bretheren who are also oppressed". It is disgusting beyond belief. Do they not realize that these are terrorists? They don't care. The poor irish victim thing is part of their brand. A global brand. The PC crowd sympathize with them because they always sympathize with the anti-establishment groups and the terrorists. To the PC crowd, Israel and the US are the root of all evil in the world, not murderous dictators or terrorists.

I can definitely understand why those who are loyalists would not stand for that.

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You know Bauba, I really cannot be arsed debating this with you again. However I will leave you with one thing...

Many a time we have seen people on this forum describe Rangers as a church. They celebrate their faith at Ibrox. Ibrox belonging to Rangers Football Club, well known for it links with Protestantism, nobody can deny.

So for you to suggest that they shouldn't celebrate their faith whilst following Rangers is insulting to them. They believe that they should be able to express their beliefs at our club and nobody within the club has a problem with it. As long, of course, it isn't sectarian.

As for "easy" attacks...I assume you mean the attacks that are lies and fabrications? Well, the link with Protestantism shouldn't come into it. It should be the whether they are true or not.

If YOU can't beat them, YOU can join them.

I certainly will not.

No Surrender!

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Sorry, but that is utter pesh

Every last word of it

it is because of attitudes like this that Rangers are in danger - this flippin siege mentality, they are all out to get us. Scotlands sickness.

Wish all you weedrees would beggar aff (from both sides of Glasgow) and leave the football to the real fans

surprise surprise here is a member of our board that has never got anything good to say about our fans every post you keep attacking our fans between calling them racists or bigots, and you claim to be a rangers fan, in my opinion you are a reporter, and work for one of the rags in scotland. :pipegreen:

I call it as i see it Minstral - I see Rangers as my football team, period!

Some of you guys see it as way more than that - in fact I beleive some of you couldnt care less about the football side as long as we held onto past associations.

But to play your game, I am not attacking Gers legends whos only crime was to say that we have come a long way in the last 30 years or so

as i asked you why did he sign if that was the case, and why wait all this time and then speak out.

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You know Bauba, I really cannot be arsed debating this with you again. However I will leave you with one thing...

Many a time we have seen people on this forum describe Rangers as a church. They celebrate their faith at Ibrox. Ibrox belonging to Rangers Football Club, well known for it links with Protestantism, nobody can deny.

So for you to suggest that they shouldn't celebrate their faith whilst following Rangers is insulting to them. They believe that they should be able to express their beliefs at our club and nobody within the club has a problem with it. As long, of course, it isn't sectarian.

As for "easy" attacks...I assume you mean the attacks that are lies and fabrications? Well, the link with Protestantism shouldn't come into it. It should be the whether they are true or not.

If YOU can't beat them, YOU can join them.

I certainly will not.

No Surrender!

Leiper, for gawfs sake man, for the 90th time - I never said they should stop celebrating their faith - what I am suggesting is that the CLUB - not the fans, THE CLUB, designate the past to museums and whatnot, and come out with some sort of mission statement or something defining who we are at THIS point in time going forward, and that although we WERE a Protestant club, that in todays times we are a club that celebrates diversity across faiths and cultures.

Some will say that we are that and can be that and still celebrate our historical links to the proddy faith, but clearly you cannot do that and remain a truly diversified club.

So Leiper, please stop misquoting me

As for the attacks, I refer only to those that see us penalized by UEFA and going forward see us under the risk of point deduction and relegation. That only

The other stuff I couldnt care less about

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Sorry, but that is utter pesh

Every last word of it

it is because of attitudes like this that Rangers are in danger - this flippin siege mentality, they are all out to get us. Scotlands sickness.

Wish all you weedrees would beggar aff (from both sides of Glasgow) and leave the football to the real fans

surprise surprise here is a member of our board that has never got anything good to say about our fans every post you keep attacking our fans between calling them racists or bigots, and you claim to be a rangers fan, in my opinion you are a reporter, and work for one of the rags in scotland. :pipegreen:

I call it as i see it Minstral - I see Rangers as my football team, period!

Some of you guys see it as way more than that - in fact I beleive some of you couldnt care less about the football side as long as we held onto past associations.

But to play your game, I am not attacking Gers legends whos only crime was to say that we have come a long way in the last 30 years or so

as i asked you why did he sign if that was the case, and why wait all this time and then speak out.

And i answered that I do not know. Bu**er is, either do you. Only one man knows.

Only man who knows is out greatest ever right back. Why don't you email the club and try to find out?

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Sorry, but that is utter pesh

Every last word of it

it is because of attitudes like this that Rangers are in danger - this flippin siege mentality, they are all out to get us. Scotlands sickness.

Wish all you weedrees would beggar aff (from both sides of Glasgow) and leave the football to the real fans

surprise surprise here is a member of our board that has never got anything good to say about our fans every post you keep attacking our fans between calling them racists or bigots, and you claim to be a rangers fan, in my opinion you are a reporter, and work for one of the rags in scotland. :pipegreen:

Wonder who he is but ? Traynor ? :sherlock:

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