.Williamson. 81,333 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, Rfc52 said: Southampton I like Jack and Arfield but god help Southampton if thats the level of player they intend on signing in the summer Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenv 2,114 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 It would be a shame to see them go - I had high hopes they would usher in a new era of us signing guys from that region on a regular basis. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSuedeSambas 53,539 Posted April 19, 2019 Author Share Posted April 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, Rfc52 said: Southampton Would be interesting to see what they would be willing to pay for him tbh. I like him but I don’t think he’s well rounded enough to become a real key player for us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcbear 10,913 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 39 minutes ago, DBBTB said: “Not long for Scotland” according to David Edgar on Heart & Hand extra. Says he wouldn’t be surprised to see both gone in the Summer because the club have already decided that they aren’t going to get to “the level”. Neither have been great so far but it’s dissaponting that we’ve invested between 3-4 million on them only to possibly decide they aren’t up to it after less than a year. We has to learn to box more cleverly. We cannot keep wasting money on players like these guys and players like Pena, Cardoso, Herrera. Every signing is a Gamble regardless of the money paid or country of origin and reputation counts for nothing until they are out there on the grass showing us what they are all about, We do seem to get more than our share who for whatever reason can not cut it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reformation Bear 6,453 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 So a Croatian international player isn't good enough for Scottish football? Staggering. Could say the same for Grezda. Is the message here that they are good enough footballers - good enough to play at full international level - and in one case for Croatia for fucks sake, but that somehow something in their game just does not work for Scottish football at Rangers? If that's the case it says more about Scottish football - and Rangers inability to pick players that have a very strong probability of adapting to Scottish football - than it does about the players themselves. With one exception. The exception being that the players themselves just do not like playing or living in Scotland and if that's the case then no matter how capable they are as players at international level their heart would not be in it and they'd not be giving their all at club level. Is that the case with these 2 players? If they go then it almost doesn't matter which so-called marquee or even squad players are brought in - even if they are all experienced internationals - immediately they start in the eyes of many with the assumption that they won't be able to hack it at Rangers or in Scotland. That seems to be the way it is in Scotland. Blumhoilann, magic8ball, 35 Yard Dangerman and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSuedeSambas 53,539 Posted April 19, 2019 Author Share Posted April 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, .Williamson. said: I like Jack and Arfield but god help Southampton if thats the level of player they intend on signing in the summer I think Southampton will be in the market for a Jack type tbis summer because I can see Pep going for Hojberg. Pep rates him really highly from their time at Bayern and with Fernandinho not getting any younger I wouldn’t be surprised to see him earmarked for a move there, especially now that he’s got a few seasons in the league behind him and he’s playing the best football for them that he ever has. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSuedeSambas 53,539 Posted April 19, 2019 Author Share Posted April 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, pcbear said: Every signing is a Gamble regardless of the money paid or country of origin and reputation counts for nothing until they are out there on the grass showing us what they are all about, We do seem to get more than our share who for whatever reason can not cut it. Obviously every signing comes with a risk that it won’t work out but I think if we are spending £2,000,000 or so on a player we really need to do our homework and make sure the chances of them making an impact are more higher. The best example I can think of is Jelavic. We chased him for ages but we clearly did our homework because his class was immediately noticeable. I know we paid 4 million for him and a player of his ability would probably cost you 15 million now but the same though process should still be applied because 2-3 million isn’t spare change to us these days. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcbear 10,913 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, DBBTB said: Obviously every signing comes with a risk that it won’t work out but I think if we are spending £2,000,000 or so on a player we really need to do our homework and make sure the chances of them making an impact are more higher. The best example I can think of is Jelavic. We chased him for ages but we clearly did our homework because his class was immediately noticeable. I know we paid 4 million for him and a player of his ability would probably cost you 15 million now but the same though process should still be applied because 2-3 million isn’t spare change to us these days. Correc, they are pro footballers for a reason they are good at it, I reckon it is more of a mental thing than anything else, it's one thing strutting your stuff in the comfort zone, plenty wilt under the pressure and far less thrive. It's a tricky one to get right, and the proven mentally tough players that can do the business are way out of our price range so roll the dice and you might get a Morelos or a Webster. 35 Yard Dangerman and BlueSuedeSambas 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McEwan's Lager 30,225 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 There’s a question mark over Barisic that he left for Dinamo and ended up back at Osijek. Clearly talented, perhaps not made of the right stuff when the real pressure is on. RFC55 and 35 Yard Dangerman 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hadron Collider 30,173 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, McEwan's Lager said: There’s a question mark over Barisic that he left for Dinamo and ended up back at Osijek. Clearly talented, perhaps not made of the right stuff when the real pressure is on. Fair point. Has the technical ability, but looks like an uninterested shitebag at times. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 73,063 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Imagine being in Premiership and trying to sign Scott Arfield or Ryan Jack. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prso's headband 34,947 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 We’ll be able to recoup the money for Barisic quite easily imo, although I’d like if he got a chance. Grezda I’d prefer to see more of but I personally don’t see him making it here anyway Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 73,063 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 25 minutes ago, DBBTB said: Obviously every signing comes with a risk that it won’t work out but I think if we are spending £2,000,000 or so on a player we really need to do our homework and make sure the chances of them making an impact are more higher. The best example I can think of is Jelavic. We chased him for ages but we clearly did our homework because his class was immediately noticeable. I know we paid 4 million for him and a player of his ability would probably cost you 15 million now but the same though process should still be applied because 2-3 million isn’t spare change to us these days. Many of Gerrards signings have been a hit though? Our two best players this season and biggest assets were signed by two managers widely ridiculed by our support. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prso's headband 34,947 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 1 minute ago, STEPPS BOY said: Many of Gerrards signings have been a hit though? Our two best players this season and biggest assets were signed by two managers widely ridiculed by our support. Do managers come in and just no play anyone who was signed previously? Never got that argument He’s made they two players twice the players they were. BlueSuedeSambas, Malvern and Geo17 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhW 4,669 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Croatia are overrated. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenoz 30,270 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, OhW said: Croatia are overrated. Based on what? Getting to a world cup final or Barisic? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 73,063 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, Prso's headband said: Do managers come in and just no play anyone who was signed previously? Never got that argument He’s made they two players twice the players they were. The point is that the scouting department is still failing the club. Grezda Barisic Katic Lafferty Millions spunked and not a single one a guaranteed starter. Loanees going back to their clubs and signing 3 goal Jordon Jones, 29 Journeyman Greg Stewart and pursuing Graeme Shinnie and close to signing Jake Hastie. Throw in 33 yr old Davis and 36 yr old Defoe, bringing back Brown and Chester. What a breath of fresh air Mark Allen has been. Ivybank and Begby 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,592 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Both need time yet both have struggled with injuries. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMB 14,167 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 I'm sure we'll have no problem selling Barisic as he's now a Croatian international albeit he's had a hard time with injuries this year. Fuck knows what's going on with Grezda. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philiprfc 1,799 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 I'd like to see another season out of both. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prso's headband 34,947 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, STEPPS BOY said: The point is that the scouting department is still failing the club. Grezda Barisic Katic Lafferty Millions spunked and not a single one a guaranteed starter. Loanees going back to their clubs and signing 3 goal Jordon Jones, 29 Journeyman Greg Stewart and pursuing Graeme Shinnie and close to signing Jake Hastie. Throw in 33 yr old Davis and 36 yr old Defoe, bringing back Brown and Chester. What a breath of fresh air Mark Allen has been. Not doubting the scouts aren’t good enough and we’re not getting a good return on our investments. Am saying obviously a manager is going to play players that were already here. You’ve named 2 failures, a squad player and Barisic who is an international at the highest level. Goldson Arfield, McGregor, Kamara, Grand total of about 3 mill and they’ve all improved our team. Doesn’t matter what age Defoe is he’s still clearly good enough for this level. I agree on our current pursuits though, maybe bar Hastie as I do think we probably should be picking up the best players in the country. We’re never going to have success with every transfer, it just seems that the failures are the ones we spend the most money on and that’s a problem. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 They should only leave if we cover what we spent on them We can’t keep just buying players and if it doesn’t work for them at Rangers we just get rid, we will be skint again real quick with that business plan Blumhoilann 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 54 minutes ago, McEwan's Lager said: There’s a question mark over Barisic that he left for Dinamo and ended up back at Osijek. Clearly talented, perhaps not made of the right stuff when the real pressure is on. So a Croatian internationalist can’t handle pressure. Blumhoilann 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitre_mouldmaster 21,509 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 I can actually see us making a bit of a profit to be honest. Grezda we will probably take a wee bit of a loss on, but could possibly break even. I expect to make a decent profit on Barasic though. Although he has done next to nothing for us, we bought a prospect and he has since broken into the croation national team. Wouldn't be overly surprised if we could get about £3m for him, even a bit more. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic 4,654 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Our scouting leaves a hell of a lot to be desired. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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