RFC55 108,798 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Just now, RFC RYAN said: The part a don’t get. Seems to be different punishment for teams not just us and them teams across Europe. Mate Real were fined about 3k for racist chanting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Rfc52 said: They were done with pro IRA chanting. Does that not come under that one mate? It didn't (improper conduct iirc) but I'd argue there's a decent case that it should come under Art. 14. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, ForeverAndEver said: Improve your patter before quoting me. Would much rather just lose it than change the words tbh mate. Nope the cunts have had more enough of our songbook thank you very much Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Rolle 514 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 2 hours ago, psb07158 said: A big "FUCK UEFA" banner would be incredibly petty and result in another fine but would make me feel very satisfied I suppose you’d be even more satisfied when we get banned from Europe? Ps. I don’t give a fuck about the songs, but I love the club and I want a ground full of fans to support the team, I don’t want to see fans being locked out after buying tickets, I don’t want fans banned. I don’t want the club fined or docked points or, god forbid, banned from tournaments. I don’t give a fuck about other clubs and their songs - so long as they get punished too. The club have no come back - the songs, meanings are not debatable - we accept and change or we kill the club. But I guess some fans don’t give a fuck about our club as much as the song book. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop 654 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Thermopylae said: UEFA seem to be determined to conflate sectarianism and racism when they are in fact two completely different things ... can we not put this before a court to get the matter sorted out once and for all? Clubs can get banned for taking UEFA to court over matters relating to football and their competitions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Gman36 said: They should have though. Its such an arbitrary definition. It's not that arbitrary. UEFA explain their definiton in their regulations. It's all the usual stuff. religion, disabiity, gender, sexual orientation etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd Flute 14,036 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Just now, ForeverAndEver said: It’s the full ground next Fair enough mate, time to screw the nut, only Rangers, and Rangers supporters will suffer here . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueteeth 2,185 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Just now, Courtyard Bear said: Didn’t see it as childish to be held to the same rules. Why should I accept someone can call what they like but if I call something similar back I’m the one getting in trouble. I respect your opinion mate, but at the end of the day it is energy wasted for zero reason. If we had a chance of changing things and our fans were able to work toward some kind of even handedness then fine, but nothing ever happens. The one thing we can really do is forget about everyone else, and make sure no one can fuck us over by doing what the club asks us to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds_Bear 8,106 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Robot 21,147 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 14 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said: Im sure they all over every club with a fan problem then. Im really sure they will..... we both know they’re are clubs all over Eastern Europe with bigger issues than our fan base but the cunts have us in their spotlight due to the fenian and i include fare in that. It’s wrong but they’ll fuck us everytime and we need to get smarter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC RYAN 2,967 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 According to 4lhad Fare reported Rangers on every European game last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurrayWilson 3,381 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Just now, RFC RYAN said: A don’t care what gets sung by any support those offended with songs should go watch cricket. That maybe so and I agree with you to an extent. Its only songs after all. The problem is UEFA have decided its not on. You have to deal with the world the way it is and not the way you think it should be. Its pragmatism, if we really cant change one word in one song then we are as a fanbase just asking for it. Its a great song that gets the stadium going, just change one word. We can shout about fighting it, ignoring it or whatever else but its an unwinnable fight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Just now, James Rolle said: I suppose you’d be even more satisfied when we get banned from Europe? Ps. I don’t give a fuck about the songs, but I love the club and I want a ground full of fans to support the team, I don’t want to see fans being locked out after buying tickets, I don’t want fans banned. I don’t want the club fined or docked points or, god forbid, banned from tournaments. I don’t give a fuck about other clubs and their songs - so long as they get punished too. The club have no come back - the songs, meanings are not debatable - we accept and change or we kill the club. But I guess some fans don’t give a fuck about our club as much as the song book. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermopylae 15,286 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, Coop said: Clubs can get banned for taking UEFA to court over matters relating to football and their competitions. So much for European freedom of speech Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,600 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Is this really as bad as the wee boy who kicked the ball into the water at the east fife game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Robot 21,147 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Just now, Leeds_Bear said: we’re defo being targeted but throw bottles and you get a free pass 🤬 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,600 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Just now, Bad Robot said: we’re defo being targeted but throw bottles and you get a free pass 🤬 Kiddy fiddling a pass as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,450 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said: Nope the cunts have had more enough of our songbook thank you very much It will still have the same result though, and regardless of if people think the word will be changed it won’t. It’s better than the big trophies pish thougj, I’ll give you that 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Robot 21,147 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Smile said: Is this really as bad as the wee boy who kicked the ball into the water at the east fife game. That was the last straw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,450 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 If the bottle hit the player they’d get fined, it happened at the Vienna game last season, and it’s caught on the highlights video, nothing came from that either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gman36 3,455 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 It does sound like the only option is going to be comply with what they say though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,714 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Just now, Bad Robot said: we both know they’re are clubs all over Eastern Europe with bigger issues than our fan base but the cunts have us in their spotlight due to the fenian and i include fare in that. It’s wrong but they’ll fuck us everytime and we need to get smarter I agree with this. But we dont know specifically the term or song which has been deemed illegal. The club needs to be absolutely clear on what cannot be sung (regardless of whether we think it's fair or not) because if they dont, then something could still cause offence to result in a charge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, Leeds_Bear said: yup, reality. I worry some of our fans still won't listen. We really really need to box clever here. Defiance isn't the answer. Pick your battles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop 654 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Thermopylae said: So much for European freedom of speech I think it's no different to a pub, club or anywhere asking someone to leave the premises. You've no absolute right of acess to these places anymore than you've an absolute right as a football club to play in Europe. Clubs are in UEFA competition by invitation, not by some absolute European human right. Because it's their party, it's their rules and no amount of complaining about it changes that fact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenoz 30,810 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Who got offended that night, 200 Gibraltar supporters? They probably joined in ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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