Bronzy 26,095 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Getstiffed said: We only won so many OF games under Walter because of The Goalie. That 9 in a row side were shite otherwise. One man against 11 seems unfair imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Katic and Helander are both left-sided and are unlikely to play many games together Edmundson and Goldson are right-sided and are just as unlikely to play many games together. Goldson and Katic have played plenty of games this season so far - and plenty together, Helander has barely featured after we spent 3.5m on him and Emdundson has been left looking on from the sidelines. When Helander came into the side it was always likely Katic would be the one that made way for him. With Edmundson's relative lack of experience, it makes a bit more sense to have him on the bench as the third CB and let him get a taste of going to some of these places for the first time. Folk looking for things that simply arent there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockwellGers 14,684 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 14 minutes ago, Bronzy said: You’re just being ridiculous now, tbh. A guy did this to me, I haven't spoken to him in 8 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehost 11,061 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 managers will have their favourites, even if it is to the detriment of the team/ultimately themselves Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Helander has played four games now and we've yet to concede. (St. Mirren, East Fife, Feyenoord, St. Johnstone). Surely it would be harsh to take him out the team? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 108,696 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Just now, The Dude said: Helander has played four games now and we've yet to concede. (St. Mirren, East Fife, Feyenoord, St. Johnstone). Surely it would be harsh to take him out the team? No katic must play. I like Niko and think he will have a good career but we were never buying a swedish international to play backup to anyone imo. I thought on Thursday he was absolutely superb and he didn't do much wrong yesterday. Every player makes a mistake or misplaced pass etc. It seems helander by some on here will have every single incident he's involved in put under the microscope Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Rfc52 said: No katic must play. I like Niko and think he will have a good career but we were never buying a swedish international to play backup to anyone imo. I thought on Thursday he was absolutely superb and he didn't do much wrong yesterday. Every player makes a mistake or misplaced pass etc. It seems helander by some on here will have every single incident he's involved in put under the microscope I wouldn't be surprised if he made the bench v Livi with Edmundson starting beside Helander. There's no danger Helander's come here to sit on his arse and tbh, I get the impression that Katic isn't daft enough to have thought that either. With the pressure we're under just now, Gerrard needs to, by his own admission, be careful with Katic playing every week at CB at a young age or he'll end up 'ruining' him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 108,696 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, The Dude said: I wouldn't be surprised if he made the bench v Livi with Edmundson starting beside Helander. There's no danger Helander's come here to sit on his arse and tbh, I get the impression that Katic isn't daft enough to have thought that either. With the pressure we're under just now, Gerrard needs to, by his own admission, be careful with Katic playing every week at CB at a young age or he'll end up 'ruining' him. Reading Michael Beale this morning edmundson is starting on Wednesday Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,241 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Is Katic actually left sided? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rfc52 said: Reading Michael Beale this morning edmundson is starting on Wednesday That's not a surprise at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelvd1873 7,132 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 22 minutes ago, The Dude said: Katic and Helander are both left-sided and are unlikely to play many games together Edmundson and Goldson are right-sided and are just as unlikely to play many games together. Goldson and Katic have played plenty of games this season so far - and plenty together, Helander has barely featured after we spent 3.5m on him and Emdundson has been left looking on from the sidelines. When Helander came into the side it was always likely Katic would be the one that made way for him. With Edmundson's relative lack of experience, it makes a bit more sense to have him on the bench as the third CB and let him get a taste of going to some of these places for the first time. Folk looking for things that simply arent there. Katic isn’t left footed/sided imo. He plays there because goldson never gets the chop from the right hand side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 3mill pound defender on the bench and the gaffers favourite is the other CB only going to end one way for Katic. The fact he isn’t even on the bench would make me believe he’s told Stevie what he thinks of the decision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Big Al II said: Is Katic actually left sided? Not as naturally as Helander (or even Worrall as they were also left footed) but Gerrard seems to insist so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 108,696 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said: 3mill pound defender on the bench and the gaffers favourite is the other CB only going to end one way for Katic. The fact he isn’t even on the bench would make me believe he’s told Stevie what he thinks of the decision. Well in the last two matches the managers decision has been correct Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rfc52 said: Well in the last two matches the managers decision has been correct Why??? Because we kept clean sheets, the clean sheet in both those games were down to McGregor. Both Katic or Goldson could’ve easily been dropped for their form dropping off, If I was Katic I would pissed as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayweather 31 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 17 minutes ago, Big Al II said: Is Katic actually left sided? No ,he is right footed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 108,696 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Just now, Courtyard Bear said: Why??? Because we kept clean sheets, the clean sheet in both those games were down to McGregor. Both Katic or Goldson could’ve easily been dropped for their form dropping off, If I was Katic I would pissed as well. So he should be pissed off because one of the two deserved to be dropped but it was him and not goldson? Everyone has played their part in the clean sheet Davis more so than shagger yesterday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, Rfc52 said: So he should be pissed off because one of the two deserved to be dropped but it was him and not goldson? Everyone has played their part in the clean sheet Davis more so than shagger yesterday. Davis didn’t keep it out mate ssshhhhh. They have all played there part I agree. We have a great young player in Katic that I think personally is being poorly handled by the management team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingKirk 25,595 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Something has gone on u don't go from start every game just about to out of the 18 altogether imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSuedeSambas 53,738 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Rfc52 said: Mate keith from.the highland league scored into Andy Goram. St Joe's had chances against us away. Teams will always get a good chance/chances in a game. It's unrealistic to think you will go through a game not conceding at least one chance I’m going off on a tangent here but it’s the exact same thing with some of our performances. I seen somebody the other day complaining about how we are toiling in the league when we should be hammering every team we play when the reality is there has always been games and times when we have struggled and toiled a bit. I can’t recall how many times I came on here under Smith and thought fucking hell that was dreadful but at least we got the points. Being crap for runs of games is not a new thing that’s started happening since we came back up post admin and I think some people need to stop with the “I can’t believe how far our standards have fallen” talk and remember when they are romanticising the past that bad results and performances happened pre admin too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,241 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 17 minutes ago, The Dude said: Not as naturally as Helander (or even Worrall as they were also left footed) but Gerrard seems to insist so. I thought he was a right sided CH playing on the left because Goldson isn’t as comfortable doing so. I agree a naturally left sided CH is preferable, but I think Katic and Helander is certainly an option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds_Bear 8,100 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Smile said: Helander needs time and to me doesnt look fit yet may be his languid style, but yesterday in the air he's suspect and when he did win a header against the two foot tall May he played it into a dangerous area, after Morelos scored he just let a player waltz past him into the box like a fanny. Our two games no goals has been more down to McGregor than our defence. Stevie May seemed to cause a problem for him every time the ball was in the air. Katic would've gone through him to win those headers. That said I have been impressed by Helander, it's a good problem to have but Katic would still be my first choice CB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegendofCoop 17,248 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 I get the argument about Helander being a £3.5m defender......but if we were to sell Katic, how much would he be worth? Easily the same amount imo. I know it's a different situation because we've shelled out. BUT, the two are equal value if you ask me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSuedeSambas 53,738 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, mayweather said: No ,he is right footed. So is Van Dijk but he plays on the left hand side of defence too. Since he signed for us I can remember one game where Katic played on the right hand side (Motherwell 7-1 game) and he got hauled off at half time. Every other game (that I can remember) he has been on the left hand side of the back two, which suggests to me that he is a left sided centre half even if he is right footed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Bronzy said: Struggling to believe we kept a clean sheet with a two-man team yesterday tbh. 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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